What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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My controversial theory: Dr. Elizabeth Dehner and Gary Mitchell didn't die at the end of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" but rather recouped, merged and became "Q" as portrayed by John De Lancie.
Unlikely, unless there's time travel involved (isn't Q supposed to be billions of years old?).
That being said, I rather like the explanation propounded in the novel Q-Squared.
Q had become trapped in the galactic barrier, and somehow Dehner and Gary were 'infected' and developed Q-like powers. So they didn't become full Q themselves, just got sort of vaguely Q-ish.
I like it. Fanwanky but more interesting than what we got regarding the Q backstory imo.
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But then where do all the other Qs mentioned in TNG and shown in VOY come form?
From the Valient?
A keyboard.
With rewriting, different casting, and trying to make it look actually alien instead of what they thought of as African, it could've worked.
A pacifist Federation wanting to deliver a vaccine to one of its plagued worlds and the only way to get the vaccine is through a warlike race. How does the diplomatic Picard negotiate with someone who only responds to strength? And how does the crew respond to having to fight for the vaccine? If they die, then the people on the planet that need the vaccine die.
It still wouldn't have been a great episode but, for 1980s TV and also for a time when TNG still felt more like TOS, it would've been an okay episode.
Scrabble box, surely?
I mean the only merit I can see in the whole thing is that it's as close as we're gonna get to seeing what a "Phase II" episode might have looked like.
Other than that it's still an awkward episode that would have been more at home in the 60s than the 80s.
And I did an experiment once where I just listened to the episode without looking at the screen..and the whole thing just changes from Colonial era African stereotypes to old time Orientalist stereotypes (which I understand was the original concept for Llutans people, stereotypical East-Asian reptile samurai) , so it was not only the casting.
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And let's not forget the whole thing about Tasha being attracted to Lutan, Deanna "tricking" her into admitting it, etc... there's just no saving this episode
I understand what you're saying. But if we go by that, the way Earth and humanity is presented in Star Trek, there should be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more actors of a mixed-race background on Trek.
Yeah, particularly awful if you consider Tasha's backstory.
Yeah, it's a long-term failure of Trek. Not really many racially ambiguous characters other than Bashir and O'Brien's kids. A fair amount of interracial relationships, just not interracial people.
Agreed, for TOS that would be Spock. Who, whether some people want to hear it or not, was also the more popular character.
Dax: "He's so much more handsome in person."
Sisko: "Kirk did have quite the reputation as a ladies' man."
Dax: "No, not him. Spock."
Sisko: "Kirk did have quite the reputation as a ladies' man."
Dax: "No, not him. Spock."
I mean I don't think he was particularly handsome on TOS considering how aged his skin looked by the time he started playing Spock (the man was only 35 O_O)
But googling him...before his smoking habit (I assume) completely wrecked his skin it appears Mr. Nimoy was *quite* handsome.
But googling him...before his smoking habit (I assume) completely wrecked his skin it appears Mr. Nimoy was *quite* handsome.
Yeah, from what I understand, he smoked four packs a day. He was a "marathon smoker". So if any other actor who plays Spock doesn't have that same type of voice... totally understandable. Under the circumstances, I'd much rather they don't have that kind of voice.
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