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Which 23rd Century is canon?

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I think the TMP Klingons is one of the best versions. Instead of just a lumpy forehead it looked like the spine came up from behind the skull and over the top for leverage. Great design for a warrior race and a better design than humans with the skull bobbng a top of a rod. It did take years yo resolve the TOS vs modern klingons in Enterprise, but I think they did that well. I can just imagine the shock that just a couple of Augments could take over a fully crewed Klingon vessel so quickly, naturally the KDF would want to gain that ability
 
Well, that settles all. There will be no Vulcans and no Romulans in future 24th century Star Trek books or movies.
Instead we have to stand the lukewarm, light-beer watered-down Romulcans.
Romulans and Vulcans have appeared in all of the 24th century (and beyond) Trek series. And no doubt will continue to do so.

So now "Sherlock" was born born in the 20th/21st century. What happened to the Sherlock in the 19 century then?
There isn't one. This is a different continuity. Is that so hard to understand?

Well, when it comes to the war, why don't you blame the North Vietnamese who started it?
However, I actually agree with you on most of what you have written above. Still, the 60's was a happy decade for many people back then.
A lot mor funny, entertaining and hopeful than the dystopian 2020's.
Sure, if you're a middle class white man, it was great. And as a middle class white kid who grew up in the 60's I would know,. How about you what's your connection to the 60's? You live through it or did you just watch a bunch of TV reruns and listen to some old comedy records and think "That's the 60's"? People of color, gays and those out of the mainstream, might have a different view
As for "dystopian"

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The only thing I can do since I don't want to watch it.
There is another thing you could do.

If they wanted horrifying aliens, why not create new ones? Lack of skill?
I don't think "horrifying" was mentioned. Just more alien. The make up department has created several new aliens, demonstrating considerable skill.

Yes, and all that will create a new species, The Romulcan whic will become the half-a**ed, light-beer version of the previous species" which I fear it will be and goodbye to two of Star Trek's most interesting and iconic species.
Hasn't happened yet.

Well, at least I have the courage to stand up for what I think instead of being a coward standing on the knees, bowing and accepting all crap throwed at me. I can at least look in the mirror without being ashamed.
Give this person the Medal of Freedom and a Noble Prize.
Have some perspective, it's entertainment. :guffaw:

Spock is wrong there. Just look at certain mergers between sports teams and such which mostly fails.
Must be more to locker room hijinks than I thought if hybrids are being produced when teams merge.
 
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Yeah, they'll never get away from tech fail. Or to quote Scotty "Aye sir. The more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
 
Yeah, they'll never get away from tech fail. Or to quote Scotty "Aye sir. The more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
Indeed. Part of Trek and the magic tech is always coming up with ideas of making it limited. It's why more advanced tech is always curtailed...for drama.
 
Indeed, that's my issue with Disco. It's all WAY too similar for the time period, and the magic tech they have is never fully taken advantage of.

Honestly that was one of the reasons I didn't continue to watch DISC. I was ready for a hugely different post-apoclayptic version of the Alpha Quadrant with things like the Borg having turned into a benevolent, pacifistic empire. Humanity splintered into gene-modded factions, Earth being an abandoned wasteland, the Betazoids turning to space piracy and raiding. Things that would have really shook up the Star Trek universe.
Instead it's mostly just the regular Star Trek universe.
 
Honestly that was one of the reasons I didn't continue to watch DISC. I was ready for a hugely different post-apoclayptic version of the Alpha Quadrant with things like the Borg having turned into a benevolent, pacifistic empire. Humanity splintered into gene-modded factions, Earth being an abandoned wasteland, the Betazoids turning to space piracy and raiding. Things that would have really shook up the Star Trek universe.
Instead it's mostly just the regular Star Trek universe.

Yeah, I think 800 was just...too much, you know? 200, 300. Even 400, ok. But closing on am entire millennium? That's a little crazy.
 
For the record, different versions of Sherlock Holmes have been known to take place in different eras long before today. Heck, the first two Basil Rathbone movies were set during the Victorian era, but the subsequent movies took place in contemporary times (i.e. the 1940s), the better to have Holmes and Watson doing their patriotic part to fight the Nazis. For the war effort, you know.

Same old, same old. None of this stuff is set in stone. It's all grist for the mill, to be reinvented and reinterpreted every generation or so.
 
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Indeed. Part of Trek and the magic tech is always coming up with ideas of making it limited. It's why more advanced tech is always curtailed...for drama.
they could have done it in a number of ways, instead they forgot that in the previous season they established that transporter technology was no longer centralised.
 
they could have done it in a number of ways, instead they forgot that in the previous season they established that transporter technology was no longer centralised.
Of course they could. I just don't expect it because it's a rule in Trek to ignore advances in tech.
 
800 years have passed. You'd expect Vulcans and Romulans to have about as much in common with 24th century Romulans as we have in common with 13th century humans.

Star Trek is a static universe. No matter what time period a show is set in, it’s all going to be pretty much the same. That’s why it always annoyed me when ENT ended and people would proclaim that a show set ‘20 years after Nemesis’ was the way to go. Well, we have a show set in that time period now. Not seeing what’s so great about it.
 
There is, but I doubt we'll see much of the Disco Klingons again, if ever. They went over about as well as New Coke.

And I'm not like some other people here. I only divide Klingons three ways: TOS/TAS types, DSC types, and the types we see everywhere else.

"But there are TMP types, TSFS types, TFF types, TNG types..." No. Those are minor variations of the same type.

" ... Kelvin types..." Already forgot about them. :p

This guy gets it. ;)
 
Of course they could. I just don't expect it because it's a rule in Trek to ignore advances in tech.
as said multiple times: just because something was done badly in the past it doesn’t mean current writers are excused if they do the same errors.
Also, this is not always true: see the LACK of plots about lack of dilitium in shows set in the 24th century, where it’s no longer an issue, for example. Or how the transporters are much more capable when in TOS they were much more limited.
 
There is, but I doubt we'll see much of the Disco Klingons again, if ever. They went over about as well as New Coke.

And I'm not like some other people here. I only divide Klingons three ways: TOS/TAS types, DSC types, and the types we see everywhere else.

"But there are TMP types, TSFS types, TFF types, TNG types..." No. Those are minor variations of the same type.

" ... Kelvin types..." Already forgot about them. :p
Two. DISCO is just the variation on the theme that started in TMP. ;)
 
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