What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I never thought about it like that... But now that you mention it, I can't unsee it!
Yup. The smoothness makes it look plastic and fake.
I hate saying this, but I don't find the end of TUC to be realistic.
Azetbur: "You've restored my father's faith." (That I buy)
Kirk: "And you've restored my son's." (That I don't buy)
The more time passes, the less and less I can believe that Kirk would actually ever forgive the Klingons for having killed his son. I don't believe a parent can ever truly come to terms with their child dying before them.
It sounds good, it makes for a feel-good ending, and it "paves the way for TNG!", but I just don't believe it.
At best, I think Kirk was putting up a strong front and doing what he was supposed to do: save the Federation, prevent a war, and expose conspirators. He did his job. But, underneath that, at the end of the day, I think he was putting on a front.
Azetbur: "You've restored my father's faith." (That I buy)
Kirk: "And you've restored my son's." (That I don't buy)
The more time passes, the less and less I can believe that Kirk would actually ever forgive the Klingons for having killed his son. I don't believe a parent can ever truly come to terms with their child dying before them.
It sounds good, it makes for a feel-good ending, and it "paves the way for TNG!", but I just don't believe it.
At best, I think Kirk was putting up a strong front and doing what he was supposed to do: save the Federation, prevent a war, and expose conspirators. He did his job. But, underneath that, at the end of the day, I think he was putting on a front.
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Different environment and educational backgrounds that would be the norm for humans in Trek would probably pave the way for them to look at the bigger picture.
I don't think Kirk was putting up a front.
Also, while a member of the Klingon species did kill his son (more accurately, it was one Klingon who pulled the trigger while some of his crew participated in it), even Kirk had to come to terms in TUC with the fact that not all Klingons were alike.
As we saw, Kirk exhibited xenophobic tendencies towards Klingons at the start of TUC... but over the course of the movie, he had to overcome some of his own prejudice about the species for the greater benefit of the Federation and keeping in line with its ideals.
I think it was high time for Kirk to get over his son's death... a son whom he didn't even know existed until TWOK... in that sense, sure, Kirk may have bonded with him, but the relationship would have been too raw/fresh to incur such a huge sense of loss if you ask me (son or no son).
Gerry Anderson's Space: 1999 (1975-77) was the last, best use of greebles on sci-fi ships. Star Wars took that to ridiculous degrees as if detail and scale could not be achieved without it (2001: A Space Odyssey--with its purposely modest texturing proved that wrong a decade earlier), and since that time, its been an overused, overblown technique, which is why I've always preferred the smooth and/or "Aztec-ed" surfaces in TOS and TOS movies. For most space-related sci-fi productions, they are set in the freaking far future--technology should allow the creation of large vessels without it appearing slapped together.
Actually, Kirk always knew he had a son. His dialogue with Carol clearly indicated this, as he said to her, "I did what you wanted. I stayed away." Carol didn't want to run the risk of David 'hopping around the galaxy' with his father, so at her request, Kirk stayed out of his life.
Also, the fact that as soon as he asked, "Where is Dr. Marcus?" and David said "I am Dr. Marcus", Carol comes out... Kirk immediately, though in somewhat shock, said, "Is that David?"
Now, a part of Kirk likely was saying what he said at the end of TUC because he really felt it was for a greater good, but there is no way he fully got over his son's death. At the very least, a part of him was just putting on a front. Parents losing their kid is the most devastating thing that can happen to them... many change fundamentally, lose their marriages over it, or never recover from that loss. No matter the age of the child.
You make this sound too easy.
I don’t agree. Kirk viewed his recent reconnection with David as an opportunity to make up for lost time and set his perceived mistakes “right.” I think it absolutely devastated him that David died before he could do any of that.
I agree with others who have said Kirk was, in part, putting on a noble front here. There’s no way that he magically healed just because Azetbur advanced the peace process (completely out of NECESSITY, mind you..it’s not like she developed some love for the Federation or did anything noble herself…she was just begrudgingly saving her people’s asses, and Kirk knew that).
TUC is an entertaining film with massive flaws once you start to break it down.
But still made for a contemporary audience. Smoothness is a dual edged sword. It can look more advanced. It can also look extremely plastic and fake.
Very, very respectfully, you don't know what I'm talking about.
I have an aunt who died young and it took a number on my grandparents and my mother for the rest of their lives. Unless you have something similar to talk about, I strongly suggest you don't respond. Thanks.
That's not the way it works.
It's a movie. We don't know how much time had past between the Search for Spock and The Undiscovered Country. And it's a movie, time, reactions, everything is compressed. They manage entire love affairs in 94 minutes. I can buy it and yes I have suffered loses such as you mention. One can let go of blame.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard the word “greebles” in my life before. I had to take to Google and now consider myself educated. What a wonderful word!
I'm a modeler, I have a greeble box.
I learned of it by way of Lego building.
Lego cool.
Hey, I finally found an episode of New Trek that I shut off part-way through. It only took me five years.
If you didn't think I had it in me, think again.
If you didn't think I had it in me, think again.
Is acceleration felt at warp speed?
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