Which 23rd Century is canon?

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I Next time you watch "The Counter-Clock Incident," just mentally replace the model they use for April with this guy instead:

Easy!

That's...actually really cool. I like that.

I'll do the same thing with the Bonaventure.

Oh and I'm sorry I deleted the message you quoted. I thought my message was offensive. Mea culpa.

 

[fireproof78]

That's...actually really cool. I like that.

It could work...

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[Nerys Myk]

So if I became a Star Trek producer and created a pre-TOS series in which Vulcan was destroyed, thus eliminating the possibility for Spock, Tuvok and other Vulcans to even exist, would that be considered "canon" despite the fact that it contradicts what we have seen in TOS, TNG and VOY?

In that case, the whole thing with "canon" is silly.

Ridiculous hypothetical.

 

[Lynx]

Yes, on both counts.

Welcome to canon and why it is rather useless as a measuring point for fan purposes. Simply put, state that you don't like something, not these elaborate contortions of why this particular story doesn't count.

I always thought that "canon" was something necessary when it comes to setting up the guideline for a series, such as "Vulcan exists in TOS, Spock is a Vulcan and all episodes of TOS and references to Spock and Vulcan in future series made after TOS should be done after those guidelines".

But with current days producers and writers................... oh dear what a mess.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

With all this talk about April I'm really stoked for a flashback appearance of him commanding the Enterprise in the early days!

Unfortunately it'd mean they'd have to bring back the blue uniforms...

 

[Lynx]

Ridiculous hypothetical.

It would be more appropriate if you could describe your problems with my statement in a decent debate.

 

[fireproof78]

I always thought that "canon" was something necessary when it comes to setting up the guideline for a series, such as "Vulcan exists in TOS, Spock is a Vulcan and all episodes of TOS and references to Spock and Vulcan in future series made after TOS should be done after those guidelines".

But with current days producers and writers................... oh dear what a mess.

Canon is just the sanctioned body of work by the author. It has nothing to do with guidelines or rules of the world. TOS disregarded it's own history from time to time. TNG disregarded TOS from time to time. These are continuity things, but nothing is less that official canon for those stories.

If you want guidelines, that depends on the writers and production staff, not any specific rules.

 

[Lynx]

Canon is just the sanctioned body of work by the author. It has nothing to do with guidelines or rules of the world. TOS disregarded it's own history from time to time. TNG disregarded TOS from time to time. These are continuity things, but nothing is less that official canon for those stories.

If you want guidelines, that depends on the writers and production staff, not any specific rules.

Continuity things are a problem on its own but some of them can be explained and/or written round with some thinking.

But if "canon" is something just based on each and every producers or writers whims, then I can simply put that issue aside and concentrate on my own version of Star Trek which I sometimes make stories about and no one can complain if I get the idea of bringing Gowron back.

If someone complains and says "that's not canon" , then I simply can say: "My universe! My rules!"

 

[Nerys Myk]

I always thought that "canon" was something necessary when it comes to setting up the guideline for a series, such as "Vulcan exists in TOS, Spock is a Vulcan and all episodes of TOS and references to Spock and Vulcan in future series made after TOS should be done after those guidelines".

But with current days producers and writers................... oh dear what a mess.

No. It's just the collection work. Continuity is the thing that keeps thing "straight".

What mess? Trust me, the writers and producers have no interest in the hyperbolic hypothetical scenarios your fevered imagination has cooked up.

 

[fireproof78]

Continuity things are a problem on its own but some of them can be explained and/or written round with some thinking.

All of them can.

But if "canon" is something just based on each and every producers or writers whims,

Hired by CBS yes but essentially correct.

If someone complains and says "that's not canon" , then I simply can say: "My universe! My rules!"

When you work for CBS or in your own fan fiction then yes. Until then, well, no fan fiction is canon.

 

[Orphalesion]

If someone complains and says "that's not canon" , then I simply can say: "My universe! My rules!"

You'll can pretend whatever you want (I pretend that PIC doesn't exists) but if you do do so just don't expect anybody to share your opinion or accept it as canon.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It would be more appropriate if you could describe your problems with my statement in a decent debate.

I quoted your post.

But if "canon" is something just based on each and every producers or writers whims, then I can simply put that issue aside and concentrate on my own version of Star Trek which I sometimes make stories about and no one can complain if I get the idea of bringing Gowron back.

No. he literally said what canon was. "The collected works".

Go to town, The fanfic forum is down the street.

 

[Lynx]

No. It's just the collection work. Continuity is the thing that keeps thing "straight".

What mess? Trust me, the writers and producers have no interest in the hyperbolic hypothetical scenarios your fevered imagination has cooked up.

I quoted your post.

No. he literally said what canon was. "The collected works".

Go to town, The fanfic forum is down the street.

Excuse me, but do you have some sort of problem?

Don't you know what the words "decent debate" mean? Maybe you should try to act more civilized and debate in a more civilized way instead of coming up with insulting comments.

 

[Orphalesion]

Don't you know what the words "decent debate" mean?

You are the one who keeps calling all of NuTrek "crap"

 

[Nerys Myk]

xcuse me, but do you have some sort of problem?

Don't you know what the words "decent debate" mean? Maybe you should try to act more civilized and debate in a more civilized way instead of coming up with insulting comments

I'm acting perfectly civil and decent. The complaint department is located at the "Report" button if you feel otherwise.

 

[fireproof78]

No. he literally said what canon was. "The collected works".

Go to town, The fanfic forum is down the street.

Yup, and fans are welcome to do so. Again, it's a matter of what does canon actually mean. It means the collected works by the author, or owner, in this case CBS. We can ignore all we want (I do) but that doesn't change how others will engage with the material, nor does it obligate anyone else to view it my way.

Fan fiction is quite fun, and offers a lot of variety out there. But, it's not canon, which is what this thread is about. Not personal preference, likes, dislikes, or whatnot. That's like asking what type of pizza is the only canonical pizza?

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's like asking what type of pizza is the only canonical pizza?

Pineapple

 

[Farscape One]

(image of Canon camera)

 

[Orphalesion]

Pineapple

Burn the heretic!

 

[Farscape One]

Burn the heretic!

Agreed. Fruit on a pizza? That's just... wrong.

Now, bacon... THAT is a topping. (Of course pepperoni goes it, but you can never have too much bacon in your life.)