Spoilers Andor season one

[Amaris]

Wow! What an episode! I was on the edge of my seat. Poor Bix, I hope she recovers.

Also, watching that poor old fellow prisoner try to keep up with the crew and his body's just failing on him, until he finally dies in that awful place, and no one cares, no one cares except Cassian and Kino Loy, though Kino Loy may be more upset at the fact that it's an eternal sentence in the prison, no one leaves, no one goes home. It finally breaks through to him, and I'm glad. As rough as he is, he's just one more person trying to survive, and he can't survive if his charges fail, so his ass is just as much in the sling. Now he finds out it has all been a lie.

A fantastic episode this week, and a lot to think about.

 

[Ithekro]

If nothing else, the show is showing the audience just how evil the Empire actual is, and just the kind of people that enjoy working for it. It isn't telling us the Empire is evil or that things are this way because of the Dark Side, it is showing us just what the Empire does to people on the daily basis.
It is also showing that Rebellion is not a pretty business. It is painful and messy. And a lot of people will die even when things go well because of just how evil the Empire is.

 

[CaptainWacky]

What they've done with the Imperials on this show is the best worldbuilding Star Wars has done for decades.

 

[thribs]

It is funny how evil the Empire became in 15 years. You’d think there would be more people thinking “are we the baddies?” After being ordered to massacre a planet

 

[Amaris]

It is funny how evil the Empire became in 15 years. You’d think there would be more people thinking “are we the baddies?” After being ordered to massacre a planet

You'd be surprised.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

You'd be surprised.

Probably wasn't helped by the 3-4 years war against Saturday Morning Cartoon villains with a wat crimes fetish that immediately came before it.

 

[Imaus]

~11~ Never more than 12.

I called it - this being the prison escape arc. Though it's going to four episodes than three? I don't mind.

But nothing makes a complacent man a rebel more than pulling the rug out from under him.

In his own creepy way, Syril shows that. He got kicked out the system without a second look and now is entering dangerous territory on his own volition because he feels wronged. Andor showed it when he got 6 years. And now, Kiyo knows it. He knows it's pointless.

And this is a lesson hard learned by every totalitarian leader. Drakon. Qi Shi Huang and Liu Bang. You NEED to give the oppressed a way out. No matter how small. They'll kill each other for you, if there's an actual chance. For that actual lotto ticket. For that actual release from jail. From that constant drudgery. Man needs it, I'll say, even just the smallest variety in life.

But give them no chance, no hope? They have nothing to lose, and they'll turn on you.

 

[David cgc]

It is funny how evil the Empire became in 15 years. You’d think there would be more people thinking “are we the baddies?” After being ordered to massacre a planet

Social pressure is a powerful motivator. You just move the violent weirdos from the bottom to the top, reward them for indulging in their violent impulses, and most people will fall into line.

 

[Imaus]

Even if she decides her current aide has outlived his usefulness, I don't see her doing that under any circumstances.

Syril is a dead end. And I love it. I didn't expect him to go full on stalker mode. Beauty in the galaxy? She has the right to blast him right then and there. I can honestly see Syril coming up to her one more time and she just caps him.

The most this impromptu...uh, all this working on each other and butting in will get is the old man shutting them up if it gets too chaotic, and they'll step back in line. But this is what he wanted, and honestly if there's a lot of synergy in a office/department it's no issue. If someone butts in and they're wrong, you tell them to reevaluate first, too, try to get some kudos with the boss, they move on and rethink - if they drag it out, that looks back on them and so forth -. But so far it's producing results.

 

[fireproof78]

It is funny how evil the Empire became in 15 years. You’d think there would be more people thinking “are we the baddies?” After being ordered to massacre a planet

Few become evil overnight. I would think Anakin would have taught Star Wars fans that by now.

 

[thribs]

Anakin was never evil though. He was just undercover.

 

[Amaris]

Probably wasn't helped by the 3-4 years war against Saturday Morning Cartoon villains with a wat crimes fetish that immediately came before it.

I'm sorry I don't follow. If you don't know, I haven't seen the cartoons so I have no idea what much of the references in Andor are, I'm just really enjoying the show and what they're trying to say. I'm a bad Star Wars fan.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Anakin was never evil though. He was just undercover.

Of lava.

 

[Aragorn]

It is funny how evil the Empire became in 15 years. You’d think there would be more people thinking “are we the baddies?” After being ordered to massacre a planet

Is the Empire radicalizing more people, or have they always been terrible and can just get away with it more now under the Empire?

 

[fireproof78]

Anakin was never evil though. He was just undercover.

You're right. Slaughtering people was all for show...

 

[Amaris]

Is the Empire radicalizing more people, or have they always been terrible and can just get away with it more now under the Empire?

Probably both. People can be radicalized either by emotional or intellectual prodding, often by a sense of morality or ethics that runs counter to what the Empire itself engages in (despite what it may claim). Empathy often plays a big role in that. On the other hand, some people will certainly start to be radicalized once they realize what they thought were their "god given" rights are now just privileges. Self-interest can be just as big a motivator.

As for the people who are terrible, I imagine some are "true believers," but for the most part those who engage in horrible acts of inhumanity will cloak themselves in whatever banner allows them to continue to act in whatever craven interest they wish to pursue. A theocracy will have the most religious type of scoundrel, a nationalist empire the most patriotic. The actual architecture of the system itself will be used to their benefit regardless, and these people often gain quite a bit of power because they know that when you gather enough people together in an effort to administrate, the banality of evil itself, filed away under a mountain of bureaucracy, will allow them to act the most strongly, and with the freest hand.

 

[thribs]

You're right. Slaughtering people was all for show...

Those younglings were never killed. They’re just in hiding. We never saw the bodies

 

[Set Harth]

Melshi sounds like it should be an adjective, as in "I'm not coming in today, I've been feeling a bit melshi"

 

[cooleddie74]

"I have a head cold. Nothing that terrible, but it makes me feel a little melshi."

 

[Tuskin38]

I called it - this being the prison escape arc. Though it's going to four episodes than three? I don't mind.

The last 2 episodes of season 1 are a two part story, so next week's should be the last one of this prison arc.

Season 2 is also going to be 12 episodes, made up of 3 episode arcs. Each arc is covering a different year, with the final arc ending right before Rogue One.