.
Last edited:
Halloween Ends
- Thread starter Rowdy Roddy McDowall
- Start date
If the last bit before the denouement isn’t Michael pulling off the mask to reveal he’s Danny Glover as he rasps “I’m too old for this sh**”, I admit I’m gonna be just a little disappointed.
Halloween Kills was so so so so so bad that I can't wait to see if this is better or worse.
I'm expecting it to be worse, if some of the leaks that came out several months ago are true.
The "Michael" we see in Ends is a copycat killer for about 90 percent of his screentime.
Michael Myers is no longer frightening. More exposure meant more idiotic "stories" designed to get him into more improbable conflicts, when the original was just a disturbed / evil man targeting certain people near his former neighborhood. 2 flushed that chilling feeling by setting the pointless Laurie-is-related-to-Michael crap into motion.
That's the best thing the 2018 film did. Ejecting that and making the meta obsession it had become part of Laurie's psychosis.
Michael didn't care about Laurie, he only ended up targeting her because she dropped the keys off at his old house for the viewing. And going to Laurie's house in 2018? He only ended up there because Sartain took him there. Michael's "Who the hell is she look" over at Laurie as he's walking away after she's shot at his reflection is great. It would have been a teeny bit more satisfying if he'd perhaps returned to MO - choose a target, stalk, kill close associates, move in for the last one. Although I can understand why they didn't follow that exactly, because it is perhaps re-treading too closely.
Last edited:
How could this be the end? Movie serial killers NEVER die. Whether it be Pinhead, Freddy Kruger, Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, or whoever the hell (pun intended) you mean - none of these people ever die. They 
ing ALWAYS come back.
Think about it. When was the last time a character like this ever truly, completely, irrevocably DIED? And didn't come back? Ever?
ing ALWAYS come back.Think about it. When was the last time a character like this ever truly, completely, irrevocably DIED? And didn't come back? Ever?
How could this be the end? Movie serial killers NEVER die. Whether it be Pinhead, Freddy Kruger, Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, or whoever the hell (pun intended) you mean - none of these people ever die. They
Think about it. When was the last time a character like this ever truly, completely, irrevocably DIED? And didn't come back? Ever?
That's a pretty large list, and not limited to supernaturally-powered killers. On that note, here's a few serial killers who did not live to see another day:
Alex Hammond, the teenaged serial killer from Prom Night (1980) died.
Frank Zito, the woman-scalping serial killer from Maniac (also 1980) died (despite the reality-breaking shock/gimmick ending scene).
Serial killer Kenny Hampson from Terror Train (you guessed it--from 1980) was bludgeoned with a shovel / fell from the train.
There are plenty of one and done serial killers. There's no Peeping Tom 2 or Black Christmas 2 or Dressed to Kill 2, and it took 20+ years for Norman Bates to come back. Pretty sure there are more single movie serial killers than there are repeat offenders 
I'm not sure I'd call Pinhead a serial killer either. He's a demon. It's easy to lump him in with Freddy/Jason/Michael but he's very different.
I still haven't seen Halloween Kills and I figure I should before I see Halloween Ends, though I have heard Kills is very bad.
To be honest I wasn't that enamoured of the 2018 Halloween. Michael's kills were quite bland and it lacked the sense of creeping dread that Carpenter did so well in the original. I also wasn't keen on ignoring everything after Halloween 78 and having Michael captured moments after Loomis shot him off the balcony. Not only does it leave Michael with a very limited kill count, but it strips away any sense of the supernatural from him. the end of Halloween 78 is wonderful and it's not like I let Halloween 2018 ruin that, it is what it is and there was lots about it I did like, especially the reframing of certain shots from 78 to now have Laurie in them not Michael, and it's clearly one of the better Halloween films but I don't know if I'm missing anything by not watching Kills and Ends.
I'm not sure I'd call Pinhead a serial killer either. He's a demon. It's easy to lump him in with Freddy/Jason/Michael but he's very different.
I still haven't seen Halloween Kills and I figure I should before I see Halloween Ends, though I have heard Kills is very bad.
To be honest I wasn't that enamoured of the 2018 Halloween. Michael's kills were quite bland and it lacked the sense of creeping dread that Carpenter did so well in the original. I also wasn't keen on ignoring everything after Halloween 78 and having Michael captured moments after Loomis shot him off the balcony. Not only does it leave Michael with a very limited kill count, but it strips away any sense of the supernatural from him. the end of Halloween 78 is wonderful and it's not like I let Halloween 2018 ruin that, it is what it is and there was lots about it I did like, especially the reframing of certain shots from 78 to now have Laurie in them not Michael, and it's clearly one of the better Halloween films but I don't know if I'm missing anything by not watching Kills and Ends.
I think Kills, if you've not seen it before, feels skippable. There's one big plot development (which is referred to in the Ends trailer) but I'd honestly be surprised if you could watch 2018 and Ends without the middle bit.
Or the next movie should be a reboot where Myers wears a Chris Pine mask.
Or a Paul Wesley one.
Yeah, the Cenobites generally don't kill innocent people, i.e. those who haven't explicitly summoned them. So I guess Pinhead doesn't count.
That said, I REALLY wish they'd done that ending in Freddy vs. Jason where they're fighting in hell and Pinhead appears out of nowhere, like "Gentlemen...what seems to be the problem?"
It would be nice if it did end. At least have a Van Helsing-esque figure that goes around hunting them.How could this be the end? Movie serial killers NEVER die. Whether it be Pinhead, Freddy Kruger, Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, or whoever the hell (pun intended) you mean - none of these people ever die. They
Think about it. When was the last time a character like this ever truly, completely, irrevocably DIED? And didn't come back? Ever?
How could this be the end? Movie serial killers NEVER die. Whether it be Pinhead, Freddy Kruger, Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, or whoever the hell (pun intended) you mean - none of these people ever die. They
Think about it. When was the last time a character like this ever truly, completely, irrevocably DIED? And didn't come back? Ever?
In Scream the killer is a different person every time because they made it a plot point to always shoot again to make sure.
Yeah, the Cenobites generally don't kill innocent people, i.e. those who haven't explicitly summoned them. So I guess Pinhead doesn't count.
That said, I REALLY wish they'd done that ending in Freddy vs. Jason where they're fighting in hell and Pinhead appears out of nowhere, like "Gentlemen...what seems to be the problem?"
Jason and Michael need to be Hell's doormen.
Freddy had to carry the whole weight of conversation there.
What I want to see is Freddy and Pinhead like Dante and Virgil. Freddy is a wisecracker--a Hawkeye Pierce kind---Pinhead more like Winchester and refined---a McCoy-Spock kind of deal.
In this Inferno, Hell seems to have been taken over by the souls of military men. With the idea of---the more people you kill, the more power you have--becoming a tulpa (belief made manifest)....a criticality event took place---now Curtis LeMay and Rickover run things and slashers are punters next to them. You could have deep fake Vincent Price, Lee, Karloff and others as demons grumbling in the background as Pinhead tells Freddy about what has happened of late. Pinhead a wise figure, Freddy more of an Everyman as a vehicle of exposition.
The Military men have a place, though---a Lovecraftian element invaded Hell---like Wayne Barlow's idea of early lifeforms only worse---and Freddy, Pinhead, and the heroes of hell have to fight them. Maybe Hellboy shows up as their Hulk in the AVENGERS INFERNAL.
oh---and NO TEENAGERS!
Well, saw it and liked it. It’ll split opinion, but I’ll be on the positive side.
I just finished it. Pleasantly surprised it was as good as it was and avoided the pitfall of just making a certain character the new Shape and reanimating him at the end. Not as good as Kills but a decent ending to this timeline of the franchise.
This feels like a original script that had Michael Myers and Laurie tacked on to meet a deadline. I was engaged the whole way through, but it's a weird trilogy.
