I'm also not saying that I think all of TOS is gold or anything, just that I find even the bad stuff very watchable and entertaining.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I'm also not saying that I think all of TOS is gold or anything, just that I find even the bad stuff very watchable and entertaining.
That's pretty much my few on Trek. Even the stuff I enjoy I know has flaws, including TOS. I think TUC is one of the best TOS films but I got in to a debate over it's merits even recently. New Trek is no different for me in terms of I like some, and don't enjoy others. Or have serious questions about changes made with things like DSC or SNW.
That's my feel as well. Actually, that's my biggest thing. It isn't that old Trek is better, or new is worse than the other; it's that I find that some of the same issues with past Trek as in new Trek.There isn't so much of a difference, save for maybe TOS, that makes me go "these whole categories suck!" There's more to it than that.
I'm also not saying that I think all of TOS is gold or anything, just that I find even the bad stuff very watchable and entertaining.
And I agree that it's very strange to lump in TOS-era (TOS, TAS) Trek with Berman era Trek (TNG-ENT). They are very different products in pretty much everything (tone, writing, characterization, presentation, approach to world building etc.)
Most of the people who dislike something get on with their lives. Where are the people who thought TNG was hot garbage? DS9? VOY? ENT? They just got on with their lives. Most people who didn't like modern Trek moved on to something else. Otherwise you're just hatewatching and trolling which is quite miserable for all involved, and has occured with Trek, Star Wars and now Marvel and LotR.
They don't exist. Most people who watch a show and don't care for it move on without much thought. They don't hang around Trek forums hammering away at it, because that's foolish.
There are more than a few folks on TrekBBS who think STD is terrible. I'm one. I even still mention it occasionally. But since I haven't seen an episode in years, it's not that big a deal.
I'm also not afraid to say what I think because people respond unpleasantly to me, or accuse them of suppressing my opinion.. So the fuck what?
Obsessing on hating a TV series is unhealthy and a waste of time.
To think that reddit is repressive of minority opinions is similarly unobservant and entitled.
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Yeah, I gave all the shows a fair chance, and I gave up on PIC (either at the end of season 1 or during season 1, I can't remember) and on DISC (at the beginning on Season 3, but I also have to say I didn't even watch the whole of Season 1)
and when the discussion turns to them, I might say I dislike PIC and don't watch DISC for various reasons, but to my everyday live those two shows might as well not exist. Same with ENT, I don't think I have seen any of ENT's seasons in its entirety.
and when the discussion turns to them, I might say I dislike PIC and don't watch DISC for various reasons, but to my everyday live those two shows might as well not exist. Same with ENT, I don't think I have seen any of ENT's seasons in its entirety.
I’ve moved beyond hate watching. Funny you mention other franchises that have took a noticeable drop in quality further pricing my point. I came to a “controversial” opinions thread to voice my controversial opinion. Star Trek is not in good hands and no one is saying it, and if they are, they are mocked as “new bad old good”.
I’m shocked by this bald faced lie.
I can’t believe it was that simple.
So, it seems like you keep running into the same problems everywhere you go, and rubbing people the wrong way.
My controversial opinion: Maybe it's the way you present your criticisms? I mean, I'm no detective or anything, but it seems like the one common denominator in all these incidents is you.
“No one is saying it”?
Nu-Trek gets its fair share of criticism here. And as has been pointed out, generally people who don’t like a show move on and don’t spend their time threadshitting in that show’s forum.
People express all kinds of controversial opinions here. No one is being censored at all. And if your position is mocked…maybe give that some thought.
And my controversial opinion is that there is similar issues in all Trek.
And many are saying it. I see it more around Trek fandom saying Kurtzman is doing a bad job. I just disagree in categorical declaration of it's all bad, or that prior to 2005 Star Trek was made for an elite group of fans.
That's my view.
Maybe we need a virtual fainting couch here.
In the meantime, you'll just have to deal with people oppressing you by disagreeing with you.
I mean I can understand being disappointed in one, more or all of the New Trek shows.
If somebody wished for more of the same of their preferred classic or 90s era Trek, then I can see why they'd be disappointed.
I was very disappointed in PIC for that very reason, to the point that in the extremely unlikely event of Chabon ever asking me for my opinion on the show, I'd have some very strong words. And I still think that the adventures of Captain Georgiou with a crew consisting of Burnham, Stamets, Culber, Tilly and Saru is possibly the best Star Trek show we were cheated out of and would have been a show that I would have vastly preferred to DISC as it exists.
So I get when people are disappointed in New Trek because it doesn't fit their taste, because they wanted more of their favourite flavour, so to say.
But well, that doesn't make the shows automatically or inherently "bad", nor will it magically change the shows. And in my opinion there are shows in New Trek (SNW, LD) that are a lot closer to classic Trek. They are different in many ways, but also very similar in others.
If somebody wished for more of the same of their preferred classic or 90s era Trek, then I can see why they'd be disappointed.
I was very disappointed in PIC for that very reason, to the point that in the extremely unlikely event of Chabon ever asking me for my opinion on the show, I'd have some very strong words. And I still think that the adventures of Captain Georgiou with a crew consisting of Burnham, Stamets, Culber, Tilly and Saru is possibly the best Star Trek show we were cheated out of and would have been a show that I would have vastly preferred to DISC as it exists.
So I get when people are disappointed in New Trek because it doesn't fit their taste, because they wanted more of their favourite flavour, so to say.
But well, that doesn't make the shows automatically or inherently "bad", nor will it magically change the shows. And in my opinion there are shows in New Trek (SNW, LD) that are a lot closer to classic Trek. They are different in many ways, but also very similar in others.
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It was. It was everywhere back in 2017. “Fans” were calling people who called out the horrible writing every name under the sun. They sure knew how to silence critics with their name calling. Right out of the playbook.
I would’ve liked Discovery if it was actually good and well written. The cartoon is Star Trek in name only.
If you’re seeing a lot of people saying the same thing then maybe they have a valid opinion.
Well, "good" is subjective, so useless for comparison, but these are the things he has written or produced that I have enjoyed:
Star Trek: Discovery
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
Star Trek: Lower Decks
Sleepy Hollow
Limitless
Ender's Game
Fringe
Star Trek (2009)
Star Trek: Into Darkness
Now You See Me
Now You See Me 2
Alias
Mission Impossible III
The Island
I never said the opinion is invalid, nor do I think Kurtzman has made amazing decisions at every turn. I just don't think it is all bad. That's it. Each Trek has it's ups and downs.
Just like my opinion that Star Trek is not worthy of reverence is an opinion many will disagree with but it's one that I still hold.
I didn't get that kind of thing here. I did have people insinuating on Facebook that I was likely a racist and homophobe for disliking the show so vociferously. Because that's what some folks do online when they get upset. And other overly touchy and insecure nutcases call people "woke" or accuse them of mysterious "agendas," and sometimes even of censorship when they feel unfairly ganged up on.
So what?
I still just said what I thought. And no one silenced me, because they can't. Pretty simple concept there. No one is silencing you.
No one is silencing you.
Right now, a number of us are responding by saying that your posts are foolish, mistaken and a number of other things that you don't like reading.
Well, you have no right to have people respond to you the way you want them to. And that is not "oppression" or censorship.
Someone can get banned from TrekBBS for breaking rules and being a dick. A remarkable number of those seem to think they were thrown out for their "controversial opinions."
And there it is.
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I disagree. And again you are just saying that it's supposedly "bad" or "in name only". Extremely subjective things.
You are also not explaining what you don't like about it, making it difficult to understand why you think so.
There what is?
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