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Spoilers Lord of the Rings TV series

If "Adar" in Sindarin is "Atar" in Quenya, it's not far from "Annatar", which is usually translated as "Anna-tar" or "gift lord" in English. What if Annatar derived from "Ann-atar" or "Anna-atar" instead ("long father" or "gift father")? Just my probably vacuous speculation.
 
I don't think Adar is Sauron, why would he use an alias while commanding orcs and then pick a very similar and possibly related name when he poses as Annatar? From a writing perspective it's also pointless to have Sauron use an alias when the first time Adar's mentioned characters on screen immediately say "He might be Sauron", if the guy who commands orcs in what will become Mordor and is suspected to be Sauron right away turns out to actually be Sauron that's not much of a reveal and certainly not a surprise twist. The elfs thinking he might be Sauron basically tells us he isn't

I think Halbrand is Sauron and Adar is a fakeout to throw the audience off. Sauron hiding in plain sight under Galadriel's nose without her noticing his exactly what he'd do and Halbrand is clearly not a good guy, he abandoned the other people on the raft without a second thought, he stole the sword and money on Numenor. In itself abandoning others who cannot be saved and stealing aren't super evil actions but if they were going the thief with a heart of gold route Halbrand most likely would have shown at least a hint of remorse at the other people's deaths and he would have been less violent fighting back. Breaking the one guy's arm on screen like this is not good guy behavior, it's bad guy behavior.
"But he saved Galadriel" I hear some people say. Yes, he did, after an awfully long time thinking about it and looking at the rope, he probably saved her because he wants to fuck with her and see her face when she realizes who he is. Halbrand is also very interested in the forges on Numenor and who else is doing some forging in the story and manipulated the people of Numenor leading to its downfall?
 
A "dark elf" in Tolkien's work is just a Elf who never went to Valinor to see the light of the Trees and instead lived in the eternal night of Middle Earth before the sun and moon were created(or unveiled, depending on which version you prefer) , not "evil" Elves.
Technically even Luthien and (most versions of) Celeborn are dark elves.
None of them would voluntary have sex with Orfs.
 
There is this regarding Eol...

The special title "Dark Elf" given to 'Eöl of Nan Elmoth seems to refer to his personal aversion to the light of the Sun rather than his heritage:

"But now the trees of Nan Elmoth were the tallest and darkest in all Beleriand, and there the sun never came; and there Eöl dwelt, who was named the Dark Elf. [...] There he lived in deep shadow, loving the night and the twilight under the stars."

And...

Tolkien said that in his earliest conception, the Dark Elves were "imagined as wandering about, and often ill-disposed towards the 'Light-Elves'". Later he considered an additional use of the term: "sometimes applied to Elves captured by Morgoth and enslaved and then released to do mischief among the Elves." He thought that this latter idea should be taken up for Eöl.

From here...

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Moriquendi
 
"But he saved Galadriel" I hear some people say. Yes, he did, after an awfully long time thinking about it and looking at the rope, he probably saved her because he wants to fuck with her and see her face when she realizes who he is. Halbrand is also very interested in the forges on Numenor and who else is doing some forging in the story and manipulated the people of Numenor leading to its downfall?
Well, a lot of us have had relationships we regret but very rarely with someone who was the lieutenant of the embodiment of evil. Even if Galadriel does the horizontal mambo with Halbrand, I desperately hope Celebrían is not the fruit of this union. That takes us into Dune territory and Tolkien hated Dune.
 
There is this regarding Eol...

The special title "Dark Elf" given to 'Eöl of Nan Elmoth seems to refer to his personal aversion to the light of the Sun rather than his heritage:

"But now the trees of Nan Elmoth were the tallest and darkest in all Beleriand, and there the sun never came; and there Eöl dwelt, who was named the Dark Elf. [...] There he lived in deep shadow, loving the night and the twilight under the stars."

And...

Tolkien said that in his earliest conception, the Dark Elves were "imagined as wandering about, and often ill-disposed towards the 'Light-Elves'". Later he considered an additional use of the term: "sometimes applied to Elves captured by Morgoth and enslaved and then released to do mischief among the Elves." He thought that this latter idea should be taken up for Eöl.

From here...

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Moriquendi

Still as the page you linked says it was also a general term for any Elf who had not seen the Light of the Trees.
Sometimes, however, Tolkien used it more to mean just the Avari, the Elves who had refused the invitation to Valinor.
But even among the Avari were antagonistic towards the Eldar, but that didn't mean they fought on Morgoths side, and some of the Avari were friendly towards the Eldar. The bulk of the populations of Mirkwood and Lorien are a mixture of Nanorin Eldar and Avari.

And yes sometimes Dark Elf was used as a special title for Eol (who sometimes was an Avari and at other times a Sinda)
But even though he comes the closest to the modern fantasy version of Dark Eles/Drow, he wasn't really any more evil than Feanor, he was just a bit darker and creepier (okay a little bit more evil) and was not aligned with Morgoth.

As for the enslaved Elves Tolkien later drifted away from them. He decided later that Elves had the ability to have their souls voluntarily escape from the body (so effectively dying) than endure that. Or in the very least he decided that there were a lot fewer Elves that werer enslaved by Morgoth than he originally envisioned. At one point he had the concept that, almost all Elves were enslaved by Morgoth after The Battle of Unnumbered Tears, with Gondolin and Thingol's people being the only two large factions that escaped that fate.

In the same vain he also decided that it's impossible to rape an Elf, since again, their soul would just eject itself from the body. That's also one of the reasons why Tolkien later wanted to get away from the idea that Orcs are corrupted Elves.

Of course that still leaves Maeglin who did work with Morgoth on some level and surrendered Gondolin's secret location...
And the part where he said that the feral souls of Avari Elves were the ghosts and phantoms called upon by necromancers. And since Sauron is the greatest of necromancers...
 
In this story yes. Cool stuff. Having the scene in the show wouldn't be mind you, but it could be alluded to. But of course Tolkien wrote about Dark Elves, so maybe the consummation could have been mutual.
Sorry, but I don't even find the idea of a rape being alluded to "cool".
But that said, how do you feel about the genocidal ways of the Elves. Slaughtering orcs upon sight or orcs killing elves upon sight. (Except when they enslave them.) A far worse crime than rape.
Not a fan of that kind of thing, but typically Orcs are pretty much going to kill anyone they see, so killing them first is somewhat justifiable as self defense.
I don't think Adar is Sauron, why would he use an alias while commanding orcs and then pick a very similar and possibly related name when he poses as Annatar? From a writing perspective it's also pointless to have Sauron use an alias when the first time Adar's mentioned characters on screen immediately say "He might be Sauron", if the guy who commands orcs in what will become Mordor and is suspected to be Sauron right away turns out to actually be Sauron that's not much of a reveal and certainly not a surprise twist. The elfs thinking he might be Sauron basically tells us he isn't
That's a pretty good point.
I think Halbrand is Sauron and Adar is a fakeout to throw the audience off. Sauron hiding in plain sight under Galadriel's nose without her noticing his exactly what he'd do and Halbrand is clearly not a good guy, he abandoned the other people on the raft without a second thought, he stole the sword and money on Numenor. In itself abandoning others who cannot be saved and stealing aren't super evil actions but if they were going the thief with a heart of gold route Halbrand most likely would have shown at least a hint of remorse at the other people's deaths and he would have been less violent fighting back. Breaking the one guy's arm on screen like this is not good guy behavior, it's bad guy behavior.
"But he saved Galadriel" I hear some people say. Yes, he did, after an awfully long time thinking about it and looking at the rope, he probably saved her because he wants to fuck with her and see her face when she realizes who he is. Halbrand is also very interested in the forges on Numenor and who else is doing some forging in the story and manipulated the people of Numenor leading to its downfall?
Of the characters introduced so far, Halbrand is the most likely to be revealed as Sauron. Before the first episodes were released I had assumed he was The Stranger, but that seems pretty unlikely with the way things are going so far.
 
Yeah, the rape is not cool. The result of it bringing an evil character that is cool in the film. If that's what happens. But I'm certain you knew that was what I meant. Because if you thought otherwise, the proper thing would be to report me.
 
Well, a lot of us have had relationships we regret but very rarely with someone who was the lieutenant of the embodiment of evil. Even if Galadriel does the horizontal mambo with Halbrand, I desperately hope Celebrían is not the fruit of this union. That takes us into Dune territory and Tolkien hated Dune.
I meant fuck with her mentally. Jeez, now you put a picture in my head, Galadriel/Sauron is not something I ever wanted to think about.:barf2::scream:
 
If "Adar" in Sindarin is "Atar" in Quenya, it's not far from "Annatar", which is usually translated as "Anna-tar" or "gift lord" in English. What if Annatar derived from "Ann-atar" or "Anna-atar" instead ("long father" or "gift father")? Just my probably vacuous speculation.

Nah, the Annatar = lord of gifts is official Middle Earth lore. He chose that name when approaching the Elves because he masqueraded as a emissary of the Valar there to teach the Elves new lore and skills (i.e. bring the gifts).
 
Nah, the Annatar = lord of gifts is official Middle Earth lore. He chose that name when approaching the Elves because he masqueraded as a emissary of the Valar there to teach the Elves new lore and skills (i.e. bring the gifts).
Yeah, I was referring to what they might contrive in the show rather than in the lore. We don't really know Amazon have the rights to use the name Annatar anyway, seeing as it's in The Silmarillion and not the Appendices AFAIK.

Anyway, I'm now pretty sure that Halbrand is Sauron in disguise anyway given that he seems to want to refresh smithing skills that a Southlands' lord would probably not have. Sauron did though as he studied under Aulë as Mairon together with Curumo (Saruman).
 
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Yeah, the rape is not cool. The result of it bringing an evil character that is cool in the film. If that's what happens. But I'm certain you knew that was what I meant. Because if you thought otherwise, the proper thing would be to report me.
I honestly wasn't sure, so thanks for clarifying. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
 
Is shining a spotlight on Sauron (for a protracted period of time) necessarily desirable? Shouldn't his portrayals be tightly controlled at best so that he - by and large - remains an enigmatic force of evil?
 
Is shining a spotlight on Sauron (for a protracted period of time) necessarily desirable? Shouldn't his portrayals be tightly controlled at best so that he - by and large - remains an enigmatic force of evil?
All depends on how it is handled. You can have it be a mystery to the characters, and still be invested in the journey of their discovery rather than discovering along with them. If handled well it can become more of a game of cat and mouse and to see who outplays the other.
 
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I've always been curious to actually see Sauron as an active character, so I would like to see him take an active role on the show.
So there is one thing I've been a little confused about in the terms of the real world production of the show.
Is this being produced as an actual in continuity prequel to the Peter Jackson movies? I've seen a lot of people talking about Morfydd Clark becoming Cate Blanchett, but I was under the impression that this was its own completely separate thing, that wasn't supposed to be directly connected any other LOTR adaptations.
 
Sauron very much involves himself directly in events of the Second Age; why he doesn't do the same in the Third Age should (hopefully) be explained in the show.
 
Sauron very much involves himself directly in events of the Second Age; why he doesn't do the same in the Third Age should (hopefully) be explained in the show.

I'm not disputing that he was "active"; I'm disputing the value in showing us each and every detail.
 
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