I'm glad Tim Blake Nelson is finally returning but curious how he's not going to be in a Hulk project...unless Bruce and/or Jen show up in New World Order.
I'm willing to bet he's in it and they just haven't announced him yet.
Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Shira Haas as Sabra (an Israeli superhero) in Captain America NWO
A bunch of news:
Short Round, I mean, Ke Huy Quan is joining the second season of Loki!
The cast of Echo took to the stage to announce that the first season just finished filming, and briefly showed Kingpin (Vincent D’Onofrio) sporting a bandage over his eye after Echo shot him at the end of Hawkeye. Along with a returning Alacqua Cox, the cast is rounded out by Zahn McClarnon, Chaske Spencer, Tantoo Cardinal, Devery Jacobs, Cody Lightning and Graham Greene.
Carl Lumbly and Danny Ramirez will return in New World Order, along with Shira Haas as the Israeli hero Sabra.
Apparently Secret Invasion will roll right into Armor Wars, which begins filming next year.
Short Round, I mean, Ke Huy Quan is joining the second season of Loki!
The cast of Echo took to the stage to announce that the first season just finished filming, and briefly showed Kingpin (Vincent D’Onofrio) sporting a bandage over his eye after Echo shot him at the end of Hawkeye. Along with a returning Alacqua Cox, the cast is rounded out by Zahn McClarnon, Chaske Spencer, Tantoo Cardinal, Devery Jacobs, Cody Lightning and Graham Greene.
Carl Lumbly and Danny Ramirez will return in New World Order, along with Shira Haas as the Israeli hero Sabra.
Apparently Secret Invasion will roll right into Armor Wars, which begins filming next year.
I still have a suspicion that the Leader's going to turn out to be the one who sent the Wrecking Crew after Jen in She-Hulk. Perhaps that will set up his CA:NWO appearance.
In any case, I'm really glad they're finally picking up that dropped thread after, what, fifteen years? I liked Nelson in TIH and wanted to see him return.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially since they tried to get a blood sample from her, although it begs the question why they weren't properly equipped to face her or even have a syringe that penetrates her skin. You'd think The Leader of all people would've expected that.
Zemo will be the big reveal of the film, I bet. They obviously aren't going to be a team of bad guys pretending to be good guys, considering the line-up includes Ghost, Yelena, Taskmaster *and* Bucky so they needed a different angle for the big reveal. That will be the revelation that Zemo is working with Contessa which will split the team and lead to a struggle between factions over what kind of team the T-Bolts will ultimately become.
With The Leader announcement, I'm willing to bet we just got our answer to who Sharon was talking to here:
I say this as someone who has never read Thunderbolts but I wonder if that might be to differentiate it a little bit from what DC has done with Suicide Squad.
I think this was only a rumor until now but Anthony Ramos will be playing Parker Robbins (The Hood) in Wakanda Forever.
A comic accurate line-up would probably have been more different from the Suicide Squad. The original T-Bolts included a Captain Marvel level powerhouse, an Ant-man like size changer, and two different high-tech characters a la Iron man. This line-up is far more street level, which is the territory you usually expect a Suicide Squad line-up to occupy.
Espionage was at the core of the Suicide Squad, being a government covert ops team. It's membership often leaned to the non-powered types, though with special skills like tossing boomerangs or shooting guns. The original Thunderbolts take of being villains pretending to heroes and later villains trying to be heroes really set it apart. The Squad was never interested in being heroes.
That's a good point. The plan was to inject her before she transformed, but of course, the Leader would have planned for every contingency. So maybe it's not him. But who else could it be?
Yeah, it's almost a Black Widow sequel. Which is not a bad thing.
I don't know who the Hood is.
Well, they've got Ghost from Ant-Man and the Wasp. More Hannah John-Kamen is always good.
The classic Thunderbolts reveal would be hard to pull off. But imagine if we meet all these new characters, really learn to like them, but in the end we find out they're villains from past entries in the franchise and it's all a scam. A few insurmountable problems like keeping the cast a secret, though. 
He's a gangster who made a deal with a demon for magical powers. He was a big part of Norman Osborn's power structure during Dark Reign - Osborn let him have total control of the superpowered underworld and made sure none of his guys got arrested/jailed. In return, Hood used the supervillains to do some of Osborn's dirty work and later funnelled a bunch of low level supervillains into Osborn's new superhero training camps so that all the new super teams would be directly controllable.
ETA: After checking the wiki, I see that technically he made a deal with a demon, but it turned out his power actually comes directly from Dormammu himself (via the physical red Hood and Cloak he wears) and that the power is actually physically corrupting him over time, as well.
The classic Thunderbolts reveal would be hard to pull off. But imagine if we meet all these new characters, really learn to like them, but in the end we find out they're villains from past entries in the franchise and it's all a scam. A few insurmountable problems like keeping the cast a secret, though.
You couldn't possibly structure it like the comic, really. The reveal would have to be at most half-way through, with the rest of the movie showing the team realizing they actually like being heroes and breaking away from the original plan. That being the case, odds are the reveal would just wind up in the trailers anyway.
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Alas. Now that would have been really really cool.
But yeah, the hunger for spoilers prevents that... which sucks.
I don't think a T-Bolts movie would need to keep the group's secret identity as the Masters of Evil a secret to the audience. To me, the main appeal of the group is not the twist (partly because I'm reading and loving this run over twenty years after it originally came out), but the gradual transformation of these villains into people who genuinely try to be good and appreciate what super heroes try to do*. I find it so interesting, that all it took for half the Masters of Evil to become good citizens was a stable environment and not being hated by the public. And then they have an ideological over following Zemo out of loyalty, or try to keep being good despite worse circumstances. That's the main two thing I'd want to see in a Thunderbolts movie. Although the whole concept would be better suited for a tv show.
*Side note, and I am literally only using this as an excuse to talk about comics: One of my favorite early appearances of them was in an issue of Spider-Man Team-Up, where Spider-Man is framed for some random bullshit, and the Thunderbolts, at the time in good standing with the government, get sent to capture him. This amuses Mach-1, formerly long-time Spider-Man foe Beetle, who obviously sees the irony in this situation, and remarks that he's probably one of the few people who are 100% sure Spidey's innocent. The Thunderbolts and Spidey of course end up teaming up to defeat the baddies and Spider-Man ends up saving Mach-1's life, which just baffles Mach-1 who then ends up giving Spider-Man the information needed to clear his name entirely voluntarily. Like, he didn't need to do that, but he did anyway, because it was the decent thing to do. Seriously, villains becoming heroes is probably my favorite comic story type there is.
*Side note, and I am literally only using this as an excuse to talk about comics: One of my favorite early appearances of them was in an issue of Spider-Man Team-Up, where Spider-Man is framed for some random bullshit, and the Thunderbolts, at the time in good standing with the government, get sent to capture him. This amuses Mach-1, formerly long-time Spider-Man foe Beetle, who obviously sees the irony in this situation, and remarks that he's probably one of the few people who are 100% sure Spidey's innocent. The Thunderbolts and Spidey of course end up teaming up to defeat the baddies and Spider-Man ends up saving Mach-1's life, which just baffles Mach-1 who then ends up giving Spider-Man the information needed to clear his name entirely voluntarily. Like, he didn't need to do that, but he did anyway, because it was the decent thing to do. Seriously, villains becoming heroes is probably my favorite comic story type there is.
Werewolf by Night looks crazy awesome, like the old Universal monster movies. Love it!
Also, from this point on, anyone that says Marvel stuff is all formulaic is officially a liar-head.
And that The Incredible Hulk is completely ignored need a kick to the shin. Tim Blake Nelson returning is delightful. He's great in everything he does. Man, can Marvel cast 'em!
Also, from this point on, anyone that says Marvel stuff is all formulaic is officially a liar-head.
And that The Incredible Hulk is completely ignored need a kick to the shin. Tim Blake Nelson returning is delightful. He's great in everything he does. Man, can Marvel cast 'em!
That's impossible. It can't be true!
