Here is my Tosvoytng.
Poll Save three Trek series!
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TOS, TNG, and Disco.
You get a good cross-selection of '60s Roddenberry, '80s Roddenberry, Berman, and Kurtzman. Pike's even in "The Cage" and the second season of DSC. So he still manages to make it in even with my choices.
"Why not Picard?" As much as I like the show, ultimately it depends too much on the fact that follows up on TNG. Nothing wrong with that, it's a sequel by design, but if you're asking me to preserve three series and only three...
"What about DS9 and VOY?" Upgrade them to HD, and we'll talk.
"What about ENT?" Are you a newbie here or something?
"What about SNW?" After we have some more episodes, we'll talk.
You get a good cross-selection of '60s Roddenberry, '80s Roddenberry, Berman, and Kurtzman. Pike's even in "The Cage" and the second season of DSC. So he still manages to make it in even with my choices.
"Why not Picard?" As much as I like the show, ultimately it depends too much on the fact that follows up on TNG. Nothing wrong with that, it's a sequel by design, but if you're asking me to preserve three series and only three...
"What about DS9 and VOY?" Upgrade them to HD, and we'll talk.
"What about ENT?" Are you a newbie here or something?
"What about SNW?" After we have some more episodes, we'll talk.
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TOS
TNG
SNW
Basically, if it doesn't have the starship Enterprise, the "Space, the Final Frontier" monologue, and a cast of characters I consider extended family, it just isn't vital and necessary trek. For me the rest are cool for what they are, but are just not the same level of cool.
TNG
SNW
Basically, if it doesn't have the starship Enterprise, the "Space, the Final Frontier" monologue, and a cast of characters I consider extended family, it just isn't vital and necessary trek. For me the rest are cool for what they are, but are just not the same level of cool.
What if all series were on the same level with HD and other upgrades....
For me a good story is more important than perfect picture quality.
I certainly can understand that, as hearing the words on SNW's theme is one of the reasons why I love it so much.
VOY is okay, but that's all.
It's been forever and a half since I've seen the vast majority of DS9. My memory of it is pretty fuzzy now. So I can't give the answer most people want to hear.
I have to re-watch it again to have an informed opinion. I also, in more recent years, am not liking the fact the show is pro spending years leading up to a war. And glorifying it to some extent. In the '90s, I didn't think about that. Today, after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and knowing people who served in those wars, and seeing what it did to some of them... And when faced with the prospect of World War III or Civil War II... I have to think about how I feel about that aspect of the show. Sorry.
DSC spent much less time on the Klingon War in its first season and ultimately DSC isn't about war and that's not what's ended up defining the show. DS9, on the other hand, spent years building up to the Dominion War and it became the defining part of the later seasons. So DS9 became about war. PIC Season 1 and DSC Season 3 opened in the aftermath of things that had already happened 15 years and 120 years before, respectively. There's no build-up or prolonged focus in any of these cases. The focus instead shifts to how things get better from those things that already happened. They're not going into this horrible situation like DS9 did, they're coming out of it.
In looking at the shows and ranking them, TNG and DS9 have switched places from my viewpoint.
If there were many other posters still here from the 1999-2000 days, some of them would be gloating and telling me, "Aha! You've finally switched over! You've switched sides on the TNG vs. DS9 Debate!" I'd never hear the end of it.
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@Lord Garth
About the war in DS9. I wonder what the creator of this frachise might think of a Trek series focusing on war when Trek is about humanity getting better and being good.
About the war in DS9. I wonder what the creator of this frachise might think of a Trek series focusing on war when Trek is about humanity getting better and being good.
Maybe they could get away with the crew not getting along all the time because it is a crew with Starfleet personel and the "locals" that have been at the mercy of enemy invaders for a long time?
I think the war is just not Star Trek material.
Defiant solved some stationary problems but they do get back to the station about every time. It's not about exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new lifeforms and civilisations and not about going into places where no one has gone before. On the other hand it doesn't say that in the intro but.... Not having just about every episode in the same place is nice.
TOS, TNG and DS9
But didn’t Berman ask Roddenberry if he could set a show on a space station, and Roddenberry gave it the green light?
As for shows I would save.
TOS
TNG
LD
Why not TAS? Already saved TOS.
Why not DS9 and VOY? Both are personally favoured by me, but they should have gotten remasters like TOS and TNG. Not getting them suggests they are not as valued as series.
Why not ENT? It should have gotten its seven season run to properly tell its story.
Why not DIS? Its always coming up short of its true potential.
Why not PRO? Aimed at kids.
Why not SNW? Its only been one season.
Why not PIC? Only one season is any good.
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Saving:
TOS- Head-and-shoulder above any other franchise product. It was the original, the cultural icon, and still the best even 56 years later. I still go back to it frequenly, even after having watched them multiple times. No contest.
TNG- While probably not in my "top 3 favorite series," I save this one because it's closest to TOS for cultural impact significance. Also, when it was at its best, those "5/5" episodes are better than anything else in the franchise.
DS9- Saving this one because it was Trek's first attempt at something different and really fresh, and to this day it still has a significant appeal for that reason. Also, I've only seen it 2 times all the way through, so there's much higher re-watch value there.
Didn't make the cut:
TAS: It's ok I guess, but I haven't felt the need to re-visit this in a very long time.
VOY: I enjoyed this in my recent watch-through, but it is very uneven and I get what I need from TOS and TNG in terms of episodic Trek adventures aboard a ship
ENT: Good, but not good enough to save. See rationale above.
DSC: Beautiful to look at, and different in terms of tone and characters, but I just couldn't force myself to swap it in for one of the classic/iconic series I picked.
PIC: Enjoyable, but more like extended sequels to the TNG movies rather than a full series....
LD: I don't dislike LD, but it could vanish tomorrow forever and I wouldn't notice or care...so this is an easy one to let go.
SNW: Just not enough of it right now to justify saving over one of the others
PRO: See SNW comment.
TOS- Head-and-shoulder above any other franchise product. It was the original, the cultural icon, and still the best even 56 years later. I still go back to it frequenly, even after having watched them multiple times. No contest.
TNG- While probably not in my "top 3 favorite series," I save this one because it's closest to TOS for cultural impact significance. Also, when it was at its best, those "5/5" episodes are better than anything else in the franchise.
DS9- Saving this one because it was Trek's first attempt at something different and really fresh, and to this day it still has a significant appeal for that reason. Also, I've only seen it 2 times all the way through, so there's much higher re-watch value there.
Didn't make the cut:
TAS: It's ok I guess, but I haven't felt the need to re-visit this in a very long time.
VOY: I enjoyed this in my recent watch-through, but it is very uneven and I get what I need from TOS and TNG in terms of episodic Trek adventures aboard a ship
ENT: Good, but not good enough to save. See rationale above.
DSC: Beautiful to look at, and different in terms of tone and characters, but I just couldn't force myself to swap it in for one of the classic/iconic series I picked.
PIC: Enjoyable, but more like extended sequels to the TNG movies rather than a full series....
LD: I don't dislike LD, but it could vanish tomorrow forever and I wouldn't notice or care...so this is an easy one to let go.
SNW: Just not enough of it right now to justify saving over one of the others
PRO: See SNW comment.
TOS, TNG, and DS9, though DS9 is favourite.
It blows my mind that there's anyone for whom TOS is not on the list. Vger23 pretty much sums up the reasons why just a few posts upthread.
After that, for me?... It was a tough call. But I went with DS9, as the best of the Berman-era Trek, and SNW, as the best of the modern-era Trek. (It's a little tricky judging that last one on the basis of a single short season, but it made a really strong impression out of the gate.)
There is no Trek series that's not a combination of hits and misses, in terms of writing, acting, FX, or whatever criteria you care to consider. But some stand out more than others for having a better ratio of hits to misses.
After that, for me?... It was a tough call. But I went with DS9, as the best of the Berman-era Trek, and SNW, as the best of the modern-era Trek. (It's a little tricky judging that last one on the basis of a single short season, but it made a really strong impression out of the gate.)
There is no Trek series that's not a combination of hits and misses, in terms of writing, acting, FX, or whatever criteria you care to consider. But some stand out more than others for having a better ratio of hits to misses.
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Ooh, I like that. I'll have to give it some thought.
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