Destiny trilogy - speculations

[KRAD]

Re: Destiny trilogy - pretty heavy spoilers

Ah, I thought that even though Tokyopop put the mangas together, that the publisher of the books were in charge. My mistake.

Nope. TokyoPop's in charge of their stuff, Pocket's in charge of their stuff, and IDW's in charge of their stuff.

 

[Christopher]

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And even within a single publisher, there's no strict requirement that separate works must be in continuity with each other. For instance, the Crucible trilogy and the Shatnerverse books both have continuity differences from the majority of books published these days. Consistency with onscreen Trek is a requirement for all tie-ins, but consistency with other tie-ins is merely an option.

 

[ATimson]

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Consistency with onscreen Trek is a requirement for all tie-ins, but consistency with other tie-ins is merely an option.

And even the former is malleable, else Myriad Universes would be a no-go. :thumbsup:

 

[Christopher]

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^^Well, that's different. In MyrU, we're overtly saying that these tales take place in alternate timeline branches from the canonical timeline. The assumption is that onscreen, canonical Trek did happen as shown, just in a different quantum reality from what's depicted in these tales. And that is itself consistent with Trek canon, given "Parallels" and all the history-changing episodes.

 

[Scout101]

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Ok, I'm seeing all kinds of guessing as to the "captain long thought dead" and so far, it seems like we're missing an obvious one (or it could be my mind wandering).

We've got a setup where we're talking about the Borg, and possibly an origin (assuming the pulses tie into it). And a Captain long-thought to be dead.

First name that comes to mind, in light of all of this, is Decker.

Makes the assumption that V'ger had a run-in with early Borg, but I don't think that's too big a leap, it seems to fit to me, and makes more sense than dragging in a strange cameo.

Definitely either him, or the Captain of the Columbia. As Ezri is finding the Columbia while Riker is finding the dead captain, though, doesn't seem like they belong together. Death of Columbia could be a symptom of the problem, and Decker a possible way to kill the Borg for good...

Just where my mind wanders when considering the stuff we've heard so far...

 

[ATimson]

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^^Well, that's different. In MyrU, we're overtly saying that these tales take place in alternate timeline branches from the canonical timeline. The assumption is that onscreen, canonical Trek did happen as shown, just in a different quantum reality from what's depicted in these tales. And that is itself consistent with Trek canon, given "Parallels" and all the history-changing episodes.

That pretty much completely nullifies "continuity with onscreen Trek" as a requirement, then, because any author can claim that their work is in a separate reality.

Either MyrU is bending the "continuity" rule, or it doesn't exist (literally, at least; it could still exist functionally in Paramount's rejections, of course).

 

[ATimson]

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First name that comes to mind, in light of all of this, is Decker.

Makes the assumption that V'ger had a run-in with early Borg, but I don't think that's too big a leap, it seems to fit to me, and makes more sense than dragging in a strange cameo.

Possible, but Shatner and the Reeves-Stevens already tread that ground in The Return; I'd rather see Destiny offer something new (and hopefully actually interesting ) where the Borg are concerned.

 

[KRAD]

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That pretty much completely nullifies "continuity with onscreen Trek" as a requirement, then, because any author can claim that their work is in a separate reality.

Either MyrU is bending the "continuity" rule, or it doesn't exist (literally, at least; it could still exist functionally in Paramount's rejections, of course).

Huh? Maybe the coffee hasn't kicked in yet (likely), but I'm not following your logic here even a little bit.

The entire premise of MyrU is that it's alternate quantum realities, where it's consistent with the mainline universe (to wit, onscreen Trek canon) up to the point of divergence.

Saying that that therefore applies to any other book is a huge leap in logic. Authors can't "claim" that they're writing alternate realities if they're inconsistent, because they're not doing books about alternate realities, unless it's specifically dubbed as such (MyrU, the various forays to the Mirror Universe, Engines of Destiny, Killing Time, etc.).

 

[Christopher]

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That pretty much completely nullifies "continuity with onscreen Trek" as a requirement, then, because any author can claim that their work is in a separate reality.

Either MyrU is bending the "continuity" rule, or it doesn't exist (literally, at least; it could still exist functionally in Paramount's rejections, of course).

That's not true at all. I very much doubt that CBS Licensing (and it is CBS these days, not Paramount) would allow the alternate-timeline card to be exploited as a fudge for any random book. MyrU is a specific subseries, and anything outside of it (or otherwise explicitly labelled as a variant, as KRAD says) will still be expected to conform to onscreen canon. It's anything but a general license for authors to ignore canon.

Possible, but Shatner and the Reeves-Stevens already tread that ground in The Return; I'd rather see Destiny offer something new (and hopefully actually interesting ) where the Borg are concerned.

I daresay you won't be disappointed.

 

[ATimson]

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Huh? Maybe the coffee hasn't kicked in yet (likely), but I'm not following your logic here even a little bit.

All I can say is, it made sense at the time. It's quite possible I didn't explain something right, or indeed that I completely FUBARed the logic; I'll get back to you after my caffeine kicks in. :thumbsup:

 

[ClayinCA]

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First name that comes to mind, in light of all of this, is Decker.

But no one actually thought Decker was dead, did they? I mean, certainly Kirk and his crew knew that Decker was still alive in some form, and Kirk's official report to Starfleet listed Decker as "missing," not "deceased."

 

[Scout101]

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Depends on how history is looking at it, I suppose. Especially about 100 years after that incident. Kirk was also known for fudging the log entries a bit, so maybe people assumed differently than what he wrote?

For someone in their 30s to be missing for more than 100 years, the "assumed dead" bit gets tagged on in most cases...

 

[PhotoM]

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Now this is a rumor. A strong one and I will say no more about how I heard and or found out. But Earth might be destroyed.

 

[Julio Angel Ortiz]

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Now this is a rumor. A strong one and I will say no more about how I heard and or found out. But Earth might be destroyed.

Now that would be pretty bold.

But unless you can back it up with a little more, I think you might find it hard for a lot people to believe it.

 

[PhotoM]

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check my post. I have been here a long time and not ever done any wild speculation. Do I have the book, cover, and all infront of me? No... Just take it as a rumor for now. But there is a great deal to it. If I am wrong I'll be happy!!!!!!!! Because I think it's be very very bad thing.

 

[Defcon]

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check my post. I have been here a long time and not ever done any wild speculation. Do I have the book, cover, and all infront of me? No... Just take it as a rumor for now. But there is a great deal to it. If I am wrong I'll be happy!!!!!!!! Because I think it's be very very bad thing.

Well, since only 18 of your posts are still in the system and only one is in TrekLit, it's hard to check your credibility this way.

I severly doubt that Earth will be destroyed personally, since I don't think that is something that would be approved by Paula M. Block, despite her rather relaxed ways in the past when it came to approving Trek Literature, even if the author/editors would like to do it (something I very much doubt, actually).

 

[Christopher]

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This just in... we can confirm that this rumor definitely is a rumor.

Besides, Pluto was just destroyed... so doesn't that mean Neptune is next? (Or maybe Eris...)

 

[Julio Angel Ortiz]

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check my post. I have been here a long time and not ever done any wild speculation. Do I have the book, cover, and all infront of me? No... Just take it as a rumor for now. But there is a great deal to it. If I am wrong I'll be happy!!!!!!!! Because I think it's be very very bad thing.

Easy, boy, easy! I'm just saying, I really doubt it. But hey, the Doctor Who books blew up Gallifrey back in 2000, and nobody saw that coming back then, so...

 

[Geoff Thorne]

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Knowing nothing whatsoever about the Destiny trilogy and as much as Ienjoy the Reeves-Stevens' work on the Shatner-verse, there isn't any reason for the Borg to be responsible for V'ger.

If, as has been the case since they were introduced, the Borg are only interested in assimilating species and tech that could enhance the collective, a Voyager deep space probe wouldn't attract their notice any more than a planet full of cavemen and '57 Chevy's would.

Neither has anything the Collective wants or needs.

Repairing/enhancing a Voyager probe to, essentially, godlike status is quite beyond the capabilities of the Borg. If it wasn't, why would they bother sending out cubes and spheres? Just send out six or seven V'gers and you can assimilate the whole universe in no time flat.

It's like the Wookie defense.

 

[William Leisner]

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This just in... we can confirm that this rumor definitely is a rumor.

Besides, Pluto was just destroyed... so doesn't that mean Neptune is next? (Or maybe Eris...)

And then the Borg will rip Uranus apart.

(Hey, someone had to say it...)