Spoilers Does Pike remember —

[Search4]

Well on the finale Pike sees key aspects of the future including:

. his fate
. Spock’s importance
. What the Romulans look like
. That neutral zone bases will be destroyed
. That cloaking devices will exist
. That a super-duper weapon is coming
. That Maat for example who currently about 10 years old will be killed.

Now in broad strokes he can’t stop his personal events but others might be ok. For example he could warn Starfleet about the true nature of the Romulans so they understand them better. He can also warn them about the weapons. Or to almost evacuate Outpost 4. I mean really couldn’t he get Outpost 4 supersized to take out the BoP immediately?

Balance of Terror implies he does none or few of these things.

Why? Does he not remember? He remembers Spock being injured, why not the rest? If the successful timeline is “the BoP is destroyed” there are lots of ways to do that given the foreknowledge.

 

[Tuskin38]

It would violate Starfleet rules about future events.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Pike may also be aware that telling people about the future could change it in ways he can't anticipate, and in some cases, make things worse than they originally were going to be.

 

[Tuskin38]

Also that, the Butterfly effect.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

My thinking is that he wouldn't be able to relate those things he saw/experienced, because in his thinking they may not happen at all anymore if he stays with his fate.

 

[Gary Bitchell]

Well on the finale Pike sees key aspects of the future including:

. his fate
. Spock’s importance
. What the Romulans look like
. That neutral zone bases will be destroyed
. That cloaking devices will exist
. That a super-duper weapon is coming
. That Maat for example who currently about 10 years old will be killed.

Now in broad strokes he can’t stop his personal events but others might be ok. For example he could warn Starfleet about the true nature of the Romulans so they understand them better. He can also warn them about the weapons. Or to almost evacuate Outpost 4. I mean really couldn’t he get Outpost 4 supersized to take out the BoP immediately?

Balance of Terror implies he does none or few of these things.

Why? Does he not remember? He remembers Spock being injured, why not the rest? If the successful timeline is “the BoP is destroyed” there are lots of ways to do that given the foreknowledge.

The whole point is that messing with the future is a bad thing. If he warns STarfleet before Spock has had a chance to prove himself, it may mess with Spock's career because of bigotry.

He literally tried to save Maat multiple times. That was literally explained in the episode.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Pike was shown a possible future, not the future. Yes, he still knows about his fate and that Maat will die because that was prior knowledge. Yes, he remembers Spock is destined for "big things". Everything else is up in the air because it is information from a possible future that has, as far as Pike knows, has been averted. Conflict with the Romulans may never happen. But a massive buildup of military might at the Neutral Zone would likely ensure it. Meddling on his part based on events that happen in a defunct timeline only stands to make things worse. Our canonical knowledge of events means nothing.

Additionally, Pike is likely on the hot seat with Starfleet over knowingly harbouring an Illyrian. The top brass may not be in a listening mood, especially if they see it as a ploy to distract from the situation with Una.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Well, if things in on the original series play out in NBC broadcast order, the BoT stuff doesn't happen until well after his accident. So other than knowing what the Romulans look like, that's a non issue. And even in production order, he was probably just learning to beep in his chair.

Also, for all he knows, all of that stuff happened because he didn't accept his destiny. He doesn't know if any of it was actually real. Well, again, other than the Romulan appearance thing. He also has no evidence of any of it being real. Starfleet could just say he was hallucinating or some such. And knowing this version of Pike he probably felt "I'd better not say, Spock's dealing with enough shit right now, and , oh shit Una's being arrested!"

 

[Noname Given]

Well on the finale Pike sees key aspects of the future including:

. his fate
. Spock’s importance
. What the Romulans look like
. That neutral zone bases will be destroyed
. That cloaking devices will exist
. That a super-duper weapon is coming
. That Maat for example who currently about 10 years old will be killed.

Now in broad strokes he can’t stop his personal events but others might be ok. For example he could warn Starfleet about the true nature of the Romulans so they understand them better. He can also warn them about the weapons. Or to almost evacuate Outpost 4. I mean really couldn’t he get Outpost 4 supersized to take out the BoP immediately?

Balance of Terror implies he does none or few of these things.

Why? Does he not remember? He remembers Spock being injured, why not the rest? If the successful timeline is “the BoP is destroyed” there are lots of ways to do that given the foreknowledge.

if he does mention any of this, it's possible it CHANGES the timeline in some negative way. Remember: Future Pike warned that there's no timeline modification that turns out good for Spock. So yeah, Pike will keep his mouth shut on this future knowledge he has to make sure the timeline goes as expected.

(And the one thing he will do however is make sure James T. Kirk is given Command of the Enterprise, because at the end, he sees future Pike go: "Oh yeah..." when Kirk shows up to speak with Pike after the incident and during it Pike even says, "I think I was fated to meet you; to which Kirk replies, "I feel the same...") <--- So yeah, that's the only 'future knowledge' Pike will make use of to be certain Kirk and Spock are on the 1701 when the incident occurs.

 

[Mudd]

I can't imagine why anyone wants to examine TOS in broadcast order. That turns a series that already has disjointed continuity from one episode to another into a complete mess, and interferes with any understanding or insight into the way the series unfolded and developed.

The only purpose I can see is some nostalgic value regarding the way those of us who watched the show on NBC first experienced it, and nostalgia is always something to be skeptical of.

 

[blssdwlf]

Technically Pike doesn't even know how he's supposed to interact with Kirk to lead up to the events as shown in "Balance of Terror". He has a lot of incomplete information and no knowledge of how things are supposed to happen.

 

[Search4]

He knows he is not there - it’s after the accident timeline.

He knows Spock has to live - does that mean he has to be there? Is it safer for Spock to be away?

He knows that Spock advocates destroying the intruder - does that mean he should be there and make that argument to whatever captain is there? Should he tell Spock to insist even more strongly?

He has met Kirk and knows he would be more aggressive. Lots of Captains probably want to helm Enterprise: must it be Kirk for this case? Is there a Jellico equivalent who would be as good?

“In any other timeline Spock dies” can only be true if Spock is at the incident. There’s no other path that turns back the Romulans and which saves Spock?

OR is (as has been speculated) this is the key incident which makes Kirk and Spock’s reputation?

 

[NCC-73515]

. That cloaking devices will exist

They've existed before already, in ENT and in Disco

 

[fireproof78]

Not those cloaking devices! Those cloaking devices.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I can't imagine why anyone wants to examine TOS in broadcast order. That turns a series that already has disjointed continuity from one episode to another into a complete mess, and interferes with any understanding or insight into the way the series unfolded and developed.

Yeah but production order means you've got two court martial episodes in a row and that's just awkward!

 

[Tuskin38]

They've existed before already, in ENT and in Disco

And this episode didn't pretend otherwise which is nice.
They reworded it to sound like a new type of cloak.

I can't imagine why anyone wants to examine TOS in broadcast order. That turns a series that already has disjointed continuity from one episode to another into a complete mess, and interferes with any understanding or insight into the way the series unfolded and developed.

The only purpose I can see is some nostalgic value regarding the way those of us who watched the show on NBC first experienced it, and nostalgia is always something to be skeptical of.

Well SNW writers must be considering TOS in Broadcast Order because BoT happens after The Menagerie in Broadcast Order.

If they were going with production order, Pike's accident would have happened after BoT.

 

[Noname Given]

And this episode didn't pretend otherwise which is nice.
They reworded it to sound like a new type of cloak.



Well SNW writers must be considering TOS in Broadcast Order because BoT happens after The Menagerie in Broadcast Order.

If they were going with production order, Pike's accident would have happened after BoT.

It's never been stated exactly when the accident occurred. It's not like Spock and the Enterprise arrived at Starbase 11 a couple of days after the accident.

Commodore Mendez tells them when they arrive:
"...there's been Subspace chatter about it for months."

So no matter how you look at it, Christopher Pike's accident occurred before the events depicted in TOS S1 Balance of Terror .

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah but production order means you've got two court martial episodes in a row and that's just awkward!

Court martials are fun. Give me a series about them.

 

[drt]

I can't imagine why anyone wants to examine TOS in broadcast order. That turns a series that already has disjointed continuity from one episode to another into a complete mess, and interferes with any understanding or insight into the way the series unfolded and developed.

Agreed. It makes way more sense in production order.

Unfortunately, for some weird reason, broadcast order seems to be more popular these days, even though it's totally nonsensical...

 

[Mudd]

And this episode didn't pretend otherwise which is nice.
They reworded it to sound like a new type of cloak.



Well SNW writers must be considering TOS in Broadcast Order because BoT happens after The Menagerie in Broadcast Order.

If they were going with production order, Pike's accident would have happened after BoT.

No, because Pike's turning over Enterprise to Kirk had nothing to do with his accident.

Old Pike saying that he avoided the accident and remained in command of the Enterprise does not, in fact, establish the sequence of events differently.