When have you disagreed and thought the captain was wrong?

[DonIago]

^^Except that Picard being rescued from the Collective established that they're not just space zombies who are utterly unable to be reformed. Ditto Seven of Nine (I grant that came later).

In any event, I found the decisions made in the episode kind of epitomized Trek at its best in terms of showing humanity and compassion to others, even those who don't necessarily deserve it, but I'm not saying they were necessarily the right decisions or the best ones.

As for "Fusion"...the episode would be a lot stronger if we'd seen Archer talk to the Vulcan captain instead of needing to at best infer it. Locking Tolaris up likely would create more problems than it would solve in the long run, but as shown the episode lets him off the hook without any consequences.

 

[Oddish]

^^Except that Picard being rescued from the Collective established that they're not just space zombies who are utterly unable to be reformed. Ditto Seven of Nine (I grant that came later).

That was the seperate collective with

Spoiler

Agnes as its queen.

It probably would not have been affected by Hugh and his weaponized MC Escher print.

 

[trekshark]

Janeway not using the caretaker to go back to the alpha quadrant. Destroying it altered the natural course of events that would have happened in the delta quadrant.
I know, if she had done that there wouldn't have been a show.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I always thought it was a bit weird that Janeway didn't use timed explosives or whatever, until I wrote about Caretaker for my site and had a reason to really examine what happened in those last scenes.

For one thing the array would've destroyed itself if it wasn't for their influence as it was their space battle that broke the self-destruct, so they were definitely involved by that point. Blowing up the array was the best they could do to limit their involvement.

Also they mention that the array would take too much time to activate, so their options were really 'retreat, give the array to the Kazon and think of something later', 'make a deal with the Kazon to go home' or 'blow the thing up'. They couldn't have just set a timer during the fight and then used the array to go home as they didn't have the time.

And one thing that no one mentions is that they lost a percentage of the crew during the trip to the Delta Quadrant, including most of the senior staff. Did they really want to sacrifice a third of the survivors to get back home the quick way?

 

[Oddish]

And one thing that no one mentions is that they lost a percentage of the crew during the trip to the Delta Quadrant, including most of the senior staff. Did they really want to sacrifice a third of the survivors to get back home the quick way?

Assuming it was only one-third. This actually reminds me of "A Wrinkle in Time"... Meg doesn't exactly enjoy tesseract-ing with Mrs. Which, but she's at least an expert. Taking the same ride with her much less-skilled father almost kills her. It's possible that if the crew had fired up the "send home" function without the proper procedures or calculations, Voyager would have been blasted into tritanium confetti.

 

[Citiprime]

One that I forgot to mention is Archer's decision to steal a warp coil in "Damage" (S03E19) and strand those aliens on a long journey back home.

Archer's choice to commit piracy because of the Xindi threat makes the decision justifiable. What bothered me more was that they never followed up on this, and maybe had Archer push for Starfleet to send aid to those aliens after the Xindi weapon was destroyed. And T'Pol is not wrong when she confronts Archer about becoming "marauders" (even though the episode kinda negates her argument by implying it was coming from being a trellium junkie).

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[Farscape One]

While I agree Archer should have said something, and perhaps did offscreen, I can oddly see Starfleet not sending anyone.

One fact everyone forgets is that it took over 3 months at warp 5 just to arrive at the edge of the Delphic Expanse. Other Starfleet ships were not nearly as fast, so that's probably at least a year's journey, maybe 2 years. Plus, that ship was deep in the expanse, so that's a lot more time added. By the time any help arrived, they might likely already be home.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

They should've sent Enterprise then, or asked the Vulcans! It's one thing to strand them in space and potentially let them die to save an entire world, it's another to leave them stranded because it's inconvenient to send a ship out to help them.

 

[Oddish]

I agree. It should have been made very clear that a ship was sent to aid the craft Archer raided. Even if they were found dead, or never found at all, it would show that Archer/Earth did something.

 

[Citiprime]

I agree. It should have been made very clear that a ship was sent to aid the craft Archer raided. Even if they were found dead, or never found at all, it would show that Archer/Earth did something.

Agreed. And I thought the episode "Home" (S04E03), where Archer is debriefed about his actions, and it's centered around the psychological toll the Xindi arc had on him, would have been a perfect place to follow up on it.

 

[The Wormhole]

They should've sent Enterprise then,

The ship did have to undergo extensive repairs when it got back to Earth. By the time the repairs were done and it made it back there, it may have been too late anyway.

or asked the Vulcans!

The very same Vulcans who refused to go out to the Expanse to begin with?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

It may have been too late. Only one way to find out!

And there wasn't an Expanse there anymore, so no more anomalies or need for trellium-D. I know the Vulcans aren't into exploring, but it was a great time for it.

 

[Farscape One]

I doubt the Vulcans would have sent one simply because they would feel it was Earth's problem and not theirs. Also, they would have viewed it as yet another reason why it was premature for humans to be out in deep space.

And another good point... Enterprise had to go through very extensive repairs.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Riker insisting on one of the Boimlers being demoted. That was some serious b*******.

 

[Mojochi]

^^Except that Picard being rescued from the Collective established that they're not just space zombies who are utterly unable to be reformed. Ditto Seven of Nine (I grant that came later).

Ok, & that's a valid argument about the fact that people can be reclaimed, but frankly, in Hugh's case, at that early point, they'd only ever done it once, & to make it happen, it was a Hail Mary pass to say the least. It's certainly not a blank check for Beverly to go on some Borg rehab kick. They should've left Hugh right where they found him (Maybe left Worf or Data roll a rock over his head) & disappear without a trace imho.

 

[The Wormhole]

I know the Vulcans aren't into exploring, but it was a great time for it.

Was it though? At the time the NX-01 returned to Earth, the Vulcans were still led by a puppet taking orders from the Romulans. It would not be for a few months after that when he would be deposed and the new leadership completely overhauled the Vulcan High Command and dramatically reduced how many ships were in service. Indeed, we know from the Babel One story arc, the Vulcans were only able to send a very limited number of ships to assist with the task force Archer was assembling to take on the Romulan drone ship. If they had to pull teeth just to assemble ships to assist with a defense matter, I doubt they had any spare ships which could be sent to a region of space that was over a month's travel time away.

 

[DonIago]

Ok, & that's a valid argument about the fact that people can be reclaimed, but frankly, in Hugh's case, at that early point, they'd only ever done it once, & to make it happen, it was a Hail Mary pass to say the least. It's certainly not a blank check for Beverly to go on some Borg rehab kick. They should've left Hugh right where they found him (Maybe left Worf or Data roll a rock over his head) & disappear without a trace imho.

Maybe this is the difference between a TNG episode and a DS9 episode...

 

[Oddish]

Riker insisting on one of the Boimlers being demoted. That was some serious b*******.

Darn right it was. Our Boims should have kept his LTJG rank, even if he had to return to the Cerritos. Or, if that wasn't possible, sent to another ship or starbase.

Of course, because this was Lower Decks, it didn't really have to make sense.

 

[somebuddyX]

Let's not send all our experienced crew down to one Borg infested planet to look for Data and leave the ship with an inexperienced crew. I like that it gave us Captain Crusher but come on.

 

[dupersuper]

As some one who's adopted, Sisko's off-screen, unexplained decision to return Rugal to the father and world he doesn't remember always slightly horrified me.

Picard's callous "why did you bother saving these people?" attitude in The Neutral Zone.

"THE GALILEO SEVEN" - Kirk sending that shuttle into the quasar to begin with. While I love the episode and it wouldn't exist had he not done this, I wouldn't call it good judgment to send a lone shuttle into such a phenomenon.

Well, he says investigating these types of phenomenon is a standing order, so it could be argued that it wasn't really his decision.

"Justice"

- Picard allowing an away team to beam down to begin with. The Edo didn't seem to be advanced enough for first contact, like having warp drive. That kind of technology seemed completely foreign to them. Frankly, he violated the Prime Directive twice here... the initial beaming down and the end. Had he not done the former, the latter would never have occurred.

They seem to be one of those pre-warp planets that had had previous contact with alien life, lessening the scope of the prime directive when dealing with them.

I thought Captain Picard was wrong to forcibly move the native americans from the planet being ceded to the Cardassians. He should have let them make the stay/go choice on their own, even it meant their doom. I dealt with this in more detail in a different thread.

But...that's exactly what he did...

That was the seperate collective with

Spoiler

Agnes as its queen.

It probably would not have been affected by Hugh and his weaponized MC Escher print.

No: Picard and 7 were freed from the normal old Borg.

While I agree Archer should have said something, and perhaps did offscreen, I can oddly see Starfleet not sending anyone.

One fact everyone forgets is that it took over 3 months at warp 5 just to arrive at the edge of the Delphic Expanse. Other Starfleet ships were not nearly as fast, so that's probably at least a year's journey, maybe 2 years. Plus, that ship was deep in the expanse, so that's a lot more time added. By the time any help arrived, they might likely already be home.

They had the Columbia as well.