Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 2
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Oh, they haven't retconned that back yet?
Of for crying out loud...this is almost as bad as how Superman has all those robots specifically meant to impersonate him but he never thinks to use them to actually HELP people.
As I recall, there were plenty of Silver Age stories where he did use the robots to do various good deeds, or to patrol the city/planet while he was away.
They've been kind of busy with him leaving Earth to save the people of Kryptonian descent (as well as all the other oppressed masses) on Warworld, and his aged-up son taking over as Superman on Earth, and then the new big mega crossover starts with the whole Justice League including Kal-El being killed off. But I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Wouldn't be surprised if this current crossover would result in a lot of changes in the timeline and things being retconned (as DC usually does), and Clark Kent being Superman's secret identity again being one of those retcons.
I wonder if the version of the inciting incident where "No Way Home" came after "Multiverse of Madness" didn't make everyone seem quite so blundering.
Not these days, he doesn't. One of the problems I had with the "Superman vs the Elite" movie was how Superman had all those robots he used to protect people from his fake-rampage and yet we didn't see him using those robots earlier to do stuff like help fight the Atomic Skull
Oh, I didn't know he still had the robots.
Not laziness, but the rational understanding that anyone throwing themselves into danger--usually against criminals who have no compunction about seeking revenge and/or exploiting the civilian side of a hero's life--needed to conceal said civilian side as much as possible, and not expose ordinary people to dangers they cannot handle.
It didn't make a lot of sense in the Silver/Bronze age Superman's stories, because his friends were already in danger, even if they didn't know his secret because they were his friends. I mean, Lois Lane was used to be continually kidnapped because she was Superman's Girlfriend. Luthor stopped to do it only when they broke up.
Well, he still has Kelex. I can imagine the little guy floating into the Daily Planet while wearing a pair of glasses and hoping no one will notice the difference.
"I am Kel Kent. I don't know who is Kelex."
I finally got caught up today, and I enjoyed the last couple episodes.
I was pretty surprised they actually had Clark lose his powers, although it would have been nice if they spent a bit more time how it affected him.
I'm happy they finally got through to Lucy for real, although it was shame it took Clark and her dad almost dying to do it.
The one thing that really bugged me with the finale was that we still didn't get any references to what the other super powered heroes were up to. At least last season it could be excused since it was a more local threat, but this is a huge world wide threat, and everyone is acting like Superman is the only powered person in the world. I know he's the most powerful, but you'd still think they'd at least try to bring in The Flash or Black Lighting, or depending on her status after her series ended, Supergirl (I still haven't seen the last few episodes, so I'm not sure what they did with her at the end) to help. Hell, they even called it a Crisis, and in a DC property that's a big word to be throwing around.
I'm glad Sarah finally learned about Jordan's powers, it'll be interesting to see where they take their relationship now that she knows.
I have to admit, while Inverse Jonathan was attacking Clark, I thought maybe Prime Jonathan was going to suddenly develop his powers and fight her off.
I'm a little surprised it didn't occur to John Heny that regular missiles probably wouldn't be enough to take out someone as powerful as Ally is now.
I was pretty surprised they actually had Clark lose his powers, although it would have been nice if they spent a bit more time how it affected him.
I'm happy they finally got through to Lucy for real, although it was shame it took Clark and her dad almost dying to do it.
The one thing that really bugged me with the finale was that we still didn't get any references to what the other super powered heroes were up to. At least last season it could be excused since it was a more local threat, but this is a huge world wide threat, and everyone is acting like Superman is the only powered person in the world. I know he's the most powerful, but you'd still think they'd at least try to bring in The Flash or Black Lighting, or depending on her status after her series ended, Supergirl (I still haven't seen the last few episodes, so I'm not sure what they did with her at the end) to help. Hell, they even called it a Crisis, and in a DC property that's a big word to be throwing around.
I'm glad Sarah finally learned about Jordan's powers, it'll be interesting to see where they take their relationship now that she knows.
I have to admit, while Inverse Jonathan was attacking Clark, I thought maybe Prime Jonathan was going to suddenly develop his powers and fight her off.
I'm a little surprised it didn't occur to John Heny that regular missiles probably wouldn't be enough to take out someone as powerful as Ally is now.
Superman and Lois
Season 2 - Episode 15 - "Waiting for Superman" - Season finale
SM/Clark: Sooo...flashbacks to what the hero values or finds inspirational before overcoming trauma and/or a threat...its the Obi-Wan Kenobi season finale all over again!
Lost opportunity Department: In the rush to get Clark back into the suit, the showrunners missed what would have been an interesting character study of Clark really having to live as a human, with all of the psychological challenges of being fragile and/or threatened by yet feeling like a real part of humanity--but that would be expecting far too much from this series' writers.
Lois / Sam: Why would Lois feel any need to tell Chrissy Clark's true identity? "tired of hiding the truth" from a friend is the biggest BS-ed, non-reason for sharing his secret, which had no bearing on the bulk of Lois' conflicts with Chrissy during the Ally arc.
With Lucy finally getting a sense of self-worth instead of the New Age-y crap sold to her by Ally, this should mark the end of the Lane family drama for some time...
Ally: Lana's speech references "the world," but once again, the entire "event" felt small--there was never a sense of the scale of Ally's threat because its all about Smallville. Keeping Ally and her Bizarro other half alive for...? That just screams another round of a terribly uninteresting villain that was more destructive to the series than the in-universe plot.
Tal-Bro: In comes the closing chapter of his would-be redemption arc, but by all rights, if he ever returned to earth, he should find a less than forgiving U.S. government (no matter how he helped SM) considering the truly evil, destructive scheme he set in place on its soil last season....
"Earth is lucky to have you" read as a series farewell....or one can hope that's what his line meant.
Irons / Natalie: As expected, Irons was in no danger of being killed off (thus, no drama for the audience), and while Natalie has stepped up with her use of the suit, I'm hoping she's does not become a "victim" plot point in one of next season's arcs focusing on her father.
Lana / Kyle / Sarah: Well, Kyle's effort to win Lana dissolved before his eyes; I would like to see Kyle and Lana restore their marriage and their plot not give viewers another round of Kyle becoming so crestfallen, that he runs back to a number of his negative habits / actions.
Jordan / Jonathan: Sort of wrapping up the Jordan/Sarah drama (for the time being), and it was good to have Sarah apologize for her behavior/actions throughout their relationship, instead of Jordan always falling to his default position of the self-blaming Sad Sack.
Jonathan did not have so much as a passing thought about Candice Pergande, considering how much he expressed his care and defense of her across several episodes of the X-K arc...
Diggle: He was a cameo in this episode. Mm-kay...and he served as the source of an information dump which could have been handled by any other character.
NOTES:
Two seasons in the can. Two, and it did not enjoy an upgrade in quality over season one.
The episode title--"Waiting on Superman" was the unintentional, yet crystal clear observation of longtime fans' still anticipatory feelings about the character--all certainly lost on the "talent" running this show. The build-up to SM's return could be seen coming...and already deflated endless miles away. It lacked any sort of energy. What was once a novel idea during season one (that being the other side of SM's life) had--like many a Berlanti production before it--has returned to the muck of half-assed, wrongheaded approach to superheroes to the point where SM has been reduced to mere accent on a series where he's half of the focus, in favor of a sub-genre of TV derived from the worst of Aaron Spelling's young adult dramas of decades past. The irony with this approach is that it only works to make the Cushing family plots the most compelling part of a so-called superhero series.
As far as CW/DC series are concerned, the gone, but never forgotten Black Lightning remains the lone Arrowverse series with a second season markedly superior than the first, and successfully set up its growing world to draw its viewers back for a third (for reasons having not a thing to do with Berlanti & his usual collaborators).
Interesting that for all of the BS surrounding Clark's irresponsible sharing of his secret, Irons and Natalie are not running all over town and on social media to expose themselves to everyone breathing.
Chrissy's "For the first time in 20 years, we can't wait for Superman to save us" plus Sam's statement: Oh, so they are finally making a hard confirmation this series is not in the so-called Arrowverse? Their dialogue would certainly imply there are no other superheroes...but then, Diggle appeared on this series, and of course, SM guest-starred on Supergirl....not too good at word-building consistency with this series...
Cars and planes crashing yet the operators disappeared...one would think Thanos had been snapping away....
Superman flying around the world...sign. Swipe the most nonsensical scene from the Donner film.
Tease for next season: Irons dealing with Manheim and Intergang? Oh, well.
GRADE: D-.
Season 2 - Episode 15 - "Waiting for Superman" - Season finale
SM/Clark: Sooo...flashbacks to what the hero values or finds inspirational before overcoming trauma and/or a threat...its the Obi-Wan Kenobi season finale all over again!
Lost opportunity Department: In the rush to get Clark back into the suit, the showrunners missed what would have been an interesting character study of Clark really having to live as a human, with all of the psychological challenges of being fragile and/or threatened by yet feeling like a real part of humanity--but that would be expecting far too much from this series' writers.
Lois / Sam: Why would Lois feel any need to tell Chrissy Clark's true identity? "tired of hiding the truth" from a friend is the biggest BS-ed, non-reason for sharing his secret, which had no bearing on the bulk of Lois' conflicts with Chrissy during the Ally arc.
With Lucy finally getting a sense of self-worth instead of the New Age-y crap sold to her by Ally, this should mark the end of the Lane family drama for some time...
Ally: Lana's speech references "the world," but once again, the entire "event" felt small--there was never a sense of the scale of Ally's threat because its all about Smallville. Keeping Ally and her Bizarro other half alive for...? That just screams another round of a terribly uninteresting villain that was more destructive to the series than the in-universe plot.
Tal-Bro: In comes the closing chapter of his would-be redemption arc, but by all rights, if he ever returned to earth, he should find a less than forgiving U.S. government (no matter how he helped SM) considering the truly evil, destructive scheme he set in place on its soil last season....
"Earth is lucky to have you" read as a series farewell....or one can hope that's what his line meant.
Irons / Natalie: As expected, Irons was in no danger of being killed off (thus, no drama for the audience), and while Natalie has stepped up with her use of the suit, I'm hoping she's does not become a "victim" plot point in one of next season's arcs focusing on her father.
Lana / Kyle / Sarah: Well, Kyle's effort to win Lana dissolved before his eyes; I would like to see Kyle and Lana restore their marriage and their plot not give viewers another round of Kyle becoming so crestfallen, that he runs back to a number of his negative habits / actions.
Jordan / Jonathan: Sort of wrapping up the Jordan/Sarah drama (for the time being), and it was good to have Sarah apologize for her behavior/actions throughout their relationship, instead of Jordan always falling to his default position of the self-blaming Sad Sack.
Jonathan did not have so much as a passing thought about Candice Pergande, considering how much he expressed his care and defense of her across several episodes of the X-K arc...
Diggle: He was a cameo in this episode. Mm-kay...and he served as the source of an information dump which could have been handled by any other character.
NOTES:
Two seasons in the can. Two, and it did not enjoy an upgrade in quality over season one.
The episode title--"Waiting on Superman" was the unintentional, yet crystal clear observation of longtime fans' still anticipatory feelings about the character--all certainly lost on the "talent" running this show. The build-up to SM's return could be seen coming...and already deflated endless miles away. It lacked any sort of energy. What was once a novel idea during season one (that being the other side of SM's life) had--like many a Berlanti production before it--has returned to the muck of half-assed, wrongheaded approach to superheroes to the point where SM has been reduced to mere accent on a series where he's half of the focus, in favor of a sub-genre of TV derived from the worst of Aaron Spelling's young adult dramas of decades past. The irony with this approach is that it only works to make the Cushing family plots the most compelling part of a so-called superhero series.
As far as CW/DC series are concerned, the gone, but never forgotten Black Lightning remains the lone Arrowverse series with a second season markedly superior than the first, and successfully set up its growing world to draw its viewers back for a third (for reasons having not a thing to do with Berlanti & his usual collaborators).
Interesting that for all of the BS surrounding Clark's irresponsible sharing of his secret, Irons and Natalie are not running all over town and on social media to expose themselves to everyone breathing.
Chrissy's "For the first time in 20 years, we can't wait for Superman to save us" plus Sam's statement: Oh, so they are finally making a hard confirmation this series is not in the so-called Arrowverse? Their dialogue would certainly imply there are no other superheroes...but then, Diggle appeared on this series, and of course, SM guest-starred on Supergirl....not too good at word-building consistency with this series...
Cars and planes crashing yet the operators disappeared...one would think Thanos had been snapping away....
Superman flying around the world...sign. Swipe the most nonsensical scene from the Donner film.
Tease for next season: Irons dealing with Manheim and Intergang? Oh, well.
GRADE: D-.
How Is Superman & Lois Connected to the Arrowverse? EP Sheds More Light on Finale's Long-Awaited Explaination:
https://tvline.com/2022/06/28/superman-lois-arrowverse-connection-explained-finale-interview/
https://tvline.com/2022/06/28/superman-lois-arrowverse-connection-explained-finale-interview/
Now I know why I didn't hear that line, it was in this weeks. When I posted my other post, it hadn't aired here yet. I'm actually watching it right now. If there are any typos, I apologize, I'm literally watching it righ this second, Ally is yelling at Superman while he's in the sun.
This is just stupid, offputting, and disingenuous.
I knew it would involve him going into the sun. That is always the solution. 
The episode was good but like last season, the resolution feels rather rushed. I don’t know why they have such long build ups to just rush everything at the end.
This ArrowVerse connectivity would work better if we just got an answer on what has happened to Kara. If they can address that it would work better.
So Intergang is next? That usually connected to Darkseid in some whay so it’ll be interesting if they follow that. Knowing them it will be something completely different. They’re running out on variant Superman’s though.
The episode was good but like last season, the resolution feels rather rushed. I don’t know why they have such long build ups to just rush everything at the end.
This ArrowVerse connectivity would work better if we just got an answer on what has happened to Kara. If they can address that it would work better.
So Intergang is next? That usually connected to Darkseid in some whay so it’ll be interesting if they follow that. Knowing them it will be something completely different. They’re running out on variant Superman’s though.
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