Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]

[Crewman6]

Yes but it would have justified using Hayden more. Plus they could have used them to make the Clone Wars material fit with canon better as a few only see the live action stuff as so.

You don't need to "justify using Hayden" more, nor do you need to connect it to the Clone Wars. You nee to tell the best story you can in an economical way, without pointless asides and fan service.

I know it's hard to swallow, since most recent SW content is 90% fan service, but it's actually very, very poor storytelling.

 

[kirk55555]

I thought that CGI Luke was excellent, I absolutely loved seeing him and would like to see him again. Hopefully Disney doesn't listen to the people complaining about it, if the actor (or the actor's estate, like the tarkin thing) ok it, there is no reason not to use the technology, especially when its just for a few scenes.

Anyway, this week's episode overall was great. We barely had any scenes with the horrible Little Leia, we got some cool flashback stuff and Vader has never been more awesome, I think they actually outdid the Rogue One scene. I'm sure the people that hate when Vader does anything more complex then breathe and walk will complain, but I think they nailed how Vader would fight and the kinds of force acts he could pull off. Overall, episode 5 was easily the best episode of the show, and I doubt will beat it (because we'll probably have to suffer through more little Leia stuff, if nothing else ).

 

[fireproof78]

You don't need to "justify using Hayden" more, nor do you need to connect it to the Clone Wars. You nee to tell the best story you can in an economical way, without pointless asides and fan service.

I know it's hard to swallow, since most recent SW content is 90% fan service, but it's actually very, very poor storytelling.

Welcome to Star Wars. Fans want servicing.

 

[fireproof78]

Hopefully Disney doesn't listen to the people complaining about it, if the actor (or th

Don't worry. It's likely nostalgia bait going forward.

 

[thribs]

You don't need to "justify using Hayden" more, nor do you need to connect it to the Clone Wars. You nee to tell the best story you can in an economical way, without pointless asides and fan service.

I know it's hard to swallow, since most recent SW content is 90% fan service, but it's actually very, very poor storytelling.

But this whole show is just fan service. Why not just go all out?
And why is fan service bad anyway? I’ve never got that.

 

[cooleddie74]

I like fan service. I just don't care for bad fan service that's shoddily designed and executed. Don't bore me or confuse the Hell out of me or both and chances are I'll enjoy the fan service.

 

[fireproof78]

But this whole show is just fan service. Why not just go all out?
And why is fan service bad anyway? I’ve never got that.

Because it should not be the reason to be. Tell a good story first, give me characters I am invested in and locations that are interesting. Then, and only then, may you use fan service. Fan service is shallow, surface level, fast food style, comfortable, storytelling. It is not meant to offend, but to give the warm feels for people who just want feels. And, by and large, it works. But, don't tell me it is a steak when it's a McDonald's hamburger.

 

[thribs]

Well they are not telling a particularly interesting story here so they might as well do fan service.

 

[fireproof78]

Well they are not telling a particularly interesting story here so they might as well do fan service.

No, thank you.

 

[Crewman6]

But this whole show is just fan service. Why not just go all out?
And why is fan service bad anyway? I’ve never got that.

Because it usually gets in the way of quality storytelling. Done in moderation, it can be fun. But all too often, it's used to excess.

As following your suggestions would have, all due respect. Having more scenes of Anakin just to "use Hayden" would have been redundant, it would have ruined the impact of the important scene we did get and it would have gotten in the way of the show's actual narrative.

The best stories have tight, focused storylines without any fat on them. Too much recent SW content, however, is driven by the desire to have "kewl" moments or callbacks or references or whatever instead of telling stories that work on their own merits.

 

[fireproof78]

oo much recent SW content, however, is driven by the desire to have "kewl" moments or callbacks or references or whatever instead of telling stories that work on their own merits.

I don't think this is a recent thing. I think this is the Prequel Trilogy and the Clone Wars too. It was done in smaller ways but a lot more than people realize. What has become more apparent is the simple fact that fans are becoming more insistent that fan service and rule of cool is more preferable.

 

[Campe]

I liked seeing Hayden, but that really wouldn't be necessary for the narrative and would definitely be a case of diminishing returns.

It is my opinion that I would have liked to see more Hayden throughout the series. Don’t need to have the joy sucked out of said opinion. Obviously it’s not a choice those behind the show decided to make. But thanks, he says sarcastically.

 

[jackoverfull]

Comes down to time.

i would have said the same, but after seeing a YouTube doing an almost decent job in a few hours I’m scratching my head.

It's not surprising. They had the actual actor. Why create a completely artificial (awful-looking) CGI construct when you can use an actual person?

deaging an actor is a completely different thing to what they did with Luke (basically recreating him from scratch), it feels much more natural.

 

[jackoverfull]

Well they are not telling a particularly interesting story

i don’t agree: I like what they’re doing with this story.

As following your suggestions would have, all due respect. Having more scenes of Anakin just to "use Hayden" would have been redundant, it would have ruined the impact of the important scene we did get and it would have gotten in the way of the show's actual narrative.

pretty much. Adding pointless scenes just to keep more of Hayden in would have been detrimental. Deaging him for the duel, though, would have been totally appropriate.

 

[Set Harth]

There was a SECOND transport

Remind you of anything?

 

[Noname Given]

Boba hardly appeared in his own show towards the end

Don't diss The Mandalorian Season 2.5.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Remind you of anything?

Chewbacca approves

 

[David cgc]

World’s oldest padawan.

Aw, nobody remembers Jolee Bindo.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Well they are not telling a particularly interesting story here so they might as well do fan service.

That's the problem--Disney/Star Wars is not telling compelling stories because they--like the majority of the writers behind 30+ years of ancillary market creations (comics, novels, etc.) long before the Disney acquisition are not only incapable of doing so, but their greed prevents them from realizing that as a concept, Star Wars had a finite life / story--it was never about thousands of years' worth of characters and events. Few can say that Disney/Star Wars is telling stories that have any creatively valid reason for existing, other than focusing on things that are more fan service / nostalgia (and other motives) than substance.

McGregor is a strong actor, and deliver a fine performance as Obi-Wan in the PT (by far, the best thing about the PT which has aged well), but in what was sold as a showcase for the character has made him largely a supporting character of his own narrative, allegedly "rising" to some occasion in the 6th and final episode. So far, its not coming off as a SW story anyone was asking for.

 

[fireproof78]

Few can say that Disney/Star Wars is telling stories that have any creatively valid reason for existing, other than focusing on things that are more fan service / nostalgia (and other motives) than substance.

That is valid. The point of entertainment is to invoke emotion. I may not agree with it but it is not invalid.