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Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]

OBI-WAN: (to Qui-Gon) The boy is dangerous...they all sense it. Why can't you?

Seeing Obi-Wan and Anakin spar, I can't help but think that Obi-Wan either failed to see a lot of warning signs or--and perhaps more likely--he believed that he could teach and mold Anakin into a proper Jedi.

The latter. He was a good man who so wanted to honor Qui-Gon's dying request that he overlooked or downplayed certain behavioral indicators and wanted to see the best in Anakin.
 
"Padawan" Anakin looked mighty... aged...in that there flashback. Ironically, Obi-wan looked almost the same as he did in the PT.

I love how Vader saw right through Third Sister and just manhandled her like a little bitch. When the original Grand Inquisitor walks in at the end, you have to wonder if Vader foresaw or even planned the entire thing.
 
A good episode, with the truth about the Third Sister coming out. I haven't seen much of any Star Wars cartoon series - was the twist about her being a Jedi youngling part of that?

The ruse about the Third Sister being there to fight Vader was a good move.

It was fun seeing a de-aged Hayden Christensen as well.
 
OBI-WAN: (to Qui-Gon) The boy is dangerous...they all sense it. Why can't you?

Seeing Obi-Wan and Anakin spar, I can't help but think that Obi-Wan either failed to see a lot of warning signs or--and perhaps more likely--he believed that he could teach and mold Anakin into a proper Jedi.
I may not like the Prequels but this is actually well explained in dialog.
Obi-Wan: "Master, I gave Qui-Gon my word. I will train the boy, without the approval of the Council if I must."

AOTC:
Obi-Wan: "His abilities have made him, well, arrogant."
Yoda: "Yes, a flaw more common in Jedi. Even the older, more experienced ones." *he looks at Obi-Wan*

ROTJ:
"I thought I could train him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."
 
Obi-Wan meant well but was just in over his head. He simply wasn't as good a teacher as Yoda and came all too late to realize it.
 
Vader's end fight was cool to watch, but it seemed too easy. Maybe Reva isn't that powerful? Could Vader use the force in such a way while fighting Jedi?

That's literally my major gripe with the episode. Not the dumb plotting, but the fact that it's just SO easy for Vader to wipe the floor with Reva. Makes her look like a total chump who was never really a threat to anyone.

She should have done better, landed at least a blow here and there. Yes, it was cool watching Vader duel someone without even using a blade, but they could have struck a better balance.
 
I'd have been happy with Reva landing a blow to Vader's back while he was remembering being Anakin and distracted, possibly even damaging some of his armor and equipment. Then he focuses and defeats her, running her through with her own lightsaber blade.
 
I would have found Hayden's appearance less distracting if his hair wasn't AOTC-era. He still looks pretty good though, I gotta say.

I agree. They should have made him ROTS-era Anakin.

But they wanted to make the point that Anakin was still a padawan and was still "learning." But no one would have batted an eye if he was slightly older Anakin. But he sure as heck didn't look like AOTC-era Anakin.
 
Obi-Wan meant well but was just in over his head. He simply wasn't as good a teacher as Yoda and came all too late to realize it.
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"Molding Anakin into a proper Jedi" was literally his job.
A job that Obi-Wan took upon himself as a promise to Qui-Gon. The Jedi Council originally rejected Anakin, thought he was too old and full of some negative emotions to be trained. Yoda still had reservations about Anakin being trained, but Obi-Wan said he was going to do it with or without the Council's approval.
ROTJ:
"I thought I could train him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."
Obi-Wan meant well but was just in over his head. He simply wasn't as good a teacher as Yoda and came all too late to realize it.
That's what I take from it. Obi-Wan knew that Anakin still had the potential to be dangerous, but failed in getting him to overcome that. Failed him as am teacher.
 
The Jedi way is unhealthy. Even Yoda probably would have messed up Anakin, and Dooku basically proves that I think. The Jedi's no marriage, no attachment rules aren't realistic for people.

Legends showed Luke moving away from all that into a different kind of Jedi. But after the reboot, they now show him making all the same mistakes that the prequel Jedi did. It's sort of infuriating how the lessons in ROTJ were just thrown out the window in the new canon.

Luke had a prime platform to address this in the Last Jedi when he was advocating ending the Jedi, but he never mentioned the no marriage no attachment rules even once! That's probably the worst aspect of TLJ--the bait and switch that Luke is finally going to call the PT Jedi out for their nonsense only for the reveal that he himself is just hiding skeletons (pulling a blade on Kylo) and as a result any legitimate criticism of the Jedi Order isn't even addressed.
 
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Having mulled over it some in the last months, I'm thinking Luke is improving on the Jedi way; he at least gave Grogu a fair choice on whether or not to commit, and spelled out exactly what it would cost him and why. Sure, the Order let you quit if you like, but given that only twenty people had done it in a thousand generations suggests there's some pressure to stick with it no matter what.
 
Having mulled over it some in the last months, I'm thinking Luke is improving on the Jedi way; he at least gave Grogu a fair choice on whether or not to commit, and spelled out exactly what it would cost him and why. Sure, the Order let you quit if you like, but given that only twenty people had done it in a thousand generations suggests there's some pressure to stick with it no matter what.
The sequels also proved that by keeping these strict standards he hadn't trained a single Jedi to knighthood in 30 years.
 
OBI-WAN: (to Qui-Gon) The boy is dangerous...they all sense it. Why can't you?

Seeing Obi-Wan and Anakin spar, I can't help but think that Obi-Wan either failed to see a lot of warning signs or--and perhaps more likely--he believed that he could teach and mold Anakin into a proper Jedi.

Obi-Wan was always right about Anakin, and we see the results: Anakin's arrogance (and stupidity) were uncontrollable, with nothing to prevent his inevitable turn to the dark side. No Jedi--not Kenobi, Mace, Yoda or anyone else would have been able to stop Anakin from being the self-aggrandizing, power-hungry fool he turned out to be.

I'm just glad they didn't digitally de-age him to the point where it was noticeable on a small screen budget. This is the kind of flashback I prefer. Enough makeup to look younger but not like you were run through a Wonka candy factory machine to remove all wrinkles.

But his appearance was very distracting--he not only did he look older than his AOTC-era self, but the Obi-Wan of that era as well. It would not have broken the bank of a Disney/Star Wars series to de-age Christensen for that flashback
 
I think he looked fine.
Sure, he looked older.
But I just placed that scene near the end of his Padawan time, despite his performance in the duel, just before he grew his hair out.
The biggest discrepancy was his physical build, more than his face.
 
I think he looked fine.
Sure, he looked older.
But I just placed that scene near the end of his Padawan time, despite his performance in the duel, just before he grew his hair out.
The biggest discrepancy was his physical build, more than his face.
I think it was pre AOTC due to him still having his organic hand?
 
The only surprise for me was Third Sister's motivation. The rest was already fairly obvious.

Vader's complete domination of her was cool and felt appropriate. How much power do Inquisitors channel compared with a fully-fledged Sith Lord - especially when compared with Mr. Midichlorian himself?

As for the flashback, I had assumed before we saw their faces it was deep fake time and didn't question it. I wasn't too sure how well they'd fared until seeing the comments here. So, that explains Hayden's more mature / not fake look. :lol:

Episode 3 remains my favourite by a long shot. I do feel it's dragged a bit in the second half; might an even shorter run have sufficed?

Looking forward to the final episode. It's been great seeing Ewan as Obi-Wan again.
 
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