Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]

[Reverend]

I have to admit, the whole "let's spend ten minutes blasting the door with a cannon before remembering we have a damn lightsaber that can cut right through it" thing left me scratching my head a little.
Also; Vader has the resources of a Star Destroyer at his command and he just sent two landers worth of troops? No fighters or gunships to prevent any ships from fleeing? There's being typically impatient Anakin, and then there's just plain stupid. The empty ship was a good bluff though.

Not sure what Reva is going to do with the info on Luke. Without context she can't know HOW important he is, and it's not like she can ever go back to the Inquisitorious, no matter what she brings as an offering. You only get one failed assassination attempt at a Sith. Maybe she intends to kidnap him and train him as her padawan?

Oh and GI is alive . . . who could have possibly seen that coming?

 

[thribs]

I was hoping he was and Jason Issacs would take over.

 

[Crewman6]

I have to admit, the whole "let's spend ten minutes blasting the door with a cannon before remembering we have a damn lightsaber that can cut right through it" thing left me scratching my head a little.
Also; Vader has the resources of a Star Destroyer at his command and he just sent two landers worth of troops? No fighters or gunships to prevent any ships from fleeing? There's being typically impatient Anakin, and then there's just plain stupid. The empty ship was a good bluff though.

There were a couple of dumb moments and lazy shortcuts and you identified two of them for sure.

There were others. The stormtroopers should have easily overrun the proto-rebels. There were so many of them, but they seemed to be moving way too slowly. Also, why the heck was Reva hanging back? Made her seem cowardly when she should have been at the front, deflecting blasters and leading the charge. (there's also a moment later where Obi Wan really should have been bringing up the rear, covering everyone's escape with some defensive saber moves, too. Alas.)

And why the heck was everyone just waiting around before they got into their ship? They had plenty of time, they should have been loaded up and ready to go at a moment's notice.

That said, despite these (and a few other) issues, the episode had more than enough great content to make up for it.

 

[Moist_Cake]

Great episode. I loved having a new crossbow wielder. And I was waiting to see the loader droid in action, that was cool.

Vader's end fight was cool to watch, but it seemed too easy. Maybe Reva isn't that powerful? Could Vader use the force in such a way while fighting Jedi?

But anyway, now I have no clue what next episode will bring. We already had the interesting plot twist with this episode, so now what? Can't wait.

 

[Romulan_spy]

There were a couple of dumb moments and lazy shortcuts and you identified two of them for sure.

I think another dumb moment might be Vader not finishing Reva off. He runs a light saber through her and just leaves her there. But she is apparently not dead and presumably will survive. It reminds me of the James Bond trope of the villain who just leaves Bond to die but leaves and let's Bond escape.

 

[Reverend]

Anyone else think the unofficial title of this episode should be 'Return of the Mullet'?

Side note: Not that it matters, but where would Ben have heard the phrase "Order 66"? He was nowhere near Cody when the call came in, and Yoda didn't seem to hear Gree's call either.

Maybe Reva isn't that powerful?

Of course she isn't. She wasn't even a padawan before Order 66, just an initiate. She's ragefully, but unfocused. She can feel the dark side but she can't control it.
Vader on the other hand is a veteran of a hundred battles, and his rage and hatred is laser focused. Her only advantage was surprise, and she blew it.

I think another dumb moment might be Vader not finishing Reva off. He runs a light saber through her and just leaves her there. But she is apparently not dead and presumably will survive. It reminds me of the James Bond trope of the villain who just leaves Bond to die but leaves and let's Bond escape.

It's only dumb if she could be a threat, and Vader quite neatly proved to be thoroughly unthreatened by her. He'd likely give her a running start before sending Fifth Brother after her.

 

[thribs]

Are we supposed to believe Vader let her live as a youngling? I call bullshit on that. He’s just sloppy.

 

[Moist_Cake]

I thought Leia was going to have to destroy Lola. I was thinking it would be her lesson on sacrifice about becoming a part of the rebellion. It could have been a great scene and a pivotal moment.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Another mixed bag of an episode.

No shock that Gorman and Vasquez...er--Tala and NED-B sacrificed themselves with an explosive while cornered.

Additionally, just about everyone knew Reva was one of the Padawans at the Jedi temple during Order 66, which explains the details of the leaked E6 script.

One must wonder why the production did not use the de-aging process on Christensen in the flashbacks, since the scenes were in the AOTC period, but Christensen looked every bit of his current age. Lazy oversight on the production's part.

Well, what do you know: Vader is more than obsessed with capturing Obi-Wan, but he pulled the transport down with the force, instead of...you know...throwing a lightsaber at it. Further, even against a powerful Force-user, he was reserved in his defense--using the Force to block most of Reva's strikes, rather than going the majorette route (PT, etc).

Obi-Wan's appeal to Reva sort of addresses his duty to protect Luke (long run), since everyone can see where Reva's mind will take her.

I'm hoping the series subverts expectations and does not feature Kenobi v. Vader III, so the idea of Obi-Wan being elusive builds on Vader's urgency to fact him during the events ofStar Wars

 

[Reverend]

Are we supposed to believe Vader let her live as a youngling? I call bullshit on that. He’s just sloppy.

She explicitly said that she played dead until he left. Presumably it was the clones' job to finish off the wounded, but she managed to slip away before they came around to her.

I thought Leia was going to have to destroy Lola. I was thinking it would be her lesson on sacrifice about becoming a part of the rebellion. It could have been a great scene and a pivotal moment.

Murdering her best friend is hardly the way Leia should begin her path towards being a Rebel leader.
What she actually did was identify the source of the problem, and instead of lashing out in violence, she sought to remove it. Which is about as Jedi a thing as she's ever done.

 

[thribs]

She explicitly said that she played dead until he left. Presumably it was the clones' job to finish off the wounded, but she managed to slip away before they came around to her.

Murdering her best friend is hardly the way Leia should begin her path towards being a Rebel leader.
What she actually did was identify the source of the problem, and instead of lashing out in violence, she sought to remove it. Which is about as Jedi a thing as she's ever done.

I know but Vader said that he knew that she was playing dead.

 

[Reverend]

I know but Vader said that he knew that she was playing dead.

That's not what he said. He meant that he recognised her as the youngling from the Temple, and always saw that she meant to try to kill him for what he did. He didn't let her live then, he just wasn't all that thorough.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Are we supposed to believe Vader let her live as a youngling? I call bullshit on that. He’s just sloppy.

..or its Plot Convenience 101 - The Star Wars Edition, since Revenge of the Sith had Kenobi and Yoda say and imply that everyone in the temple had been killed--IOW, no survivors, a plot point that illustrated just how decimated the Jedi order was at that point.

 

[marillion]

I would have found Hayden's appearance less distracting if his hair wasn't AOTC-era. He still looks pretty good though, I gotta say.

 

[Tuskin38]

Do like that they remembered to give Anakin the correct hilt for the era the flashbacks took place.

When Obi-Wan gives the communicator to Haja it's already broken, when Haja drops it, it isn't broken, when Reva sees it, it's framed to look like someone stepped on it (there's a boot print) and that's how it broke.

Also when Reva gets to her saber it's back in one piece, but I didn't notice Vader putting it back together. Maybe I just missed it

 

[Moist_Cake]

She explicitly said that she played dead until he left. Presumably it was the clones' job to finish off the wounded, but she managed to slip away before they came around to her.

Murdering her best friend is hardly the way Leia should begin her path towards being a Rebel leader.
What she actually did was identify the source of the problem, and instead of lashing out in violence, she sought to remove it. Which is about as Jedi a thing as she's ever done.

She did figure out the problem. I was hoping there was no other solution but to destroy it. But I don't think her finding the problem accomplished what you think it did. Sacrifice is what makes one a real leader. it is a common trope though, so I can see why they wouldn't go that way. But she has no interest in being Jedi like. I have never got that impression from anything Leia has done in any film or show. Not sure why it would be a factor though anyway.

 

[C.E. Evans]

OBI-WAN: (to Qui-Gon) The boy is dangerous...they all sense it. Why can't you?

Seeing Obi-Wan and Anakin spar, I can't help but think that Obi-Wan either failed to see a lot of warning signs or--and perhaps more likely--he believed that he could teach and mold Anakin into a proper Jedi.

 

[Romulan_spy]

OSeeing Obi-Wan and Anakin spar, I can't help but think that Obi-Wan either failed to see a lot of warning signs or--and perhaps more likely--he believed that he could teach and mold Anakin into a proper Jedi.

I think it is the latter. I think Obi Wan saw the signs but was in denial and believed to the very end that he could still teach Anakin and mold him into a proper Jedi.

 

[David cgc]

"Molding Anakin into a proper Jedi" was literally his job.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm just glad they didn't digitally de-age him to the point where it was noticeable on a small screen budget. This is the kind of flashback I prefer. Enough makeup to look younger but not like you were run through a Wonka candy factory machine to remove all wrinkles.