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Spoilers 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series [Spoiler Discussion]

If the Leia in this series is not a decoy, then the Leia in the holo message message above, from 1977 should have began her beseechment with...

"Dude! Remember when I saw you kill like a thousand stormtroopers that time when I was ten?"

You act surprised that this show doesn't jibe with existing canon. It didn't from the instant they announced Vader and Obi Wan were going to meet. It is what it is.

Doesn't mean they're doing something brain-bendingly stupid like having the audience invest themselves in a character for the entire run only to then rip that all away at the end with a big, "Psych! Just kidding!"
 
As a huge SW fan it pains me to admit, but this series is just falling flat on its face for me. What a waste of an incredible opportunity.

It's fucking boring. I came up with better storylines than this playing with my SW toys when I was 9. And I'm sorry, but the actors playing the inquisitors suck. balls.

How does Reva mind-probe Leia and not realize she's Force sensitive? She's literally the worst inquisitor ever.

If Leia is considered complicit in some underground Jedi railroad, how does Alderaan and the entire Organa family not get smoked right then and there, but continue to fool the Empire for another decade while actively participating in the Rebellion? Is Vader too stupid to realize that Obi-wan showing up after Bail Organa's daughter is kidnapped might mean something?

How does a rebel ship just hang out in the atmosphere unchallenged? Do all those TIE fighters we saw in the landing bay never patrol? No orbital pickets? No restricted zone? Two T-47's just roll up on the base unchallenged and start smoking the Imps? Obi-wan literally walks past the entire garrison hiding a ten year old under his coat? GTFOOH! This is all just weak sauce, man. Just weak, weak sauce.

Two episodes to go. I'm trying to decide if this is better or worse than TBOBF, and I find myself thinking, at least Boba had two episodes of The Mandalorian built into it. That was something, at least.
 
So much of this series reminds me of playing recent Star Wars video games like Jedi: Fallen Order and I don't mean that in a 'good way'.

I think we may have gotten like 10x more blaster deflections in this episode than in the entire original trilogy.

My 'video games like feeling' probably was also impacted from Fallen Order having that Inquisitor base in it and having a part with flooding it as well.

Also. Do you think the Imperials in that base have different size torture devices? Because that one really fit a small child pretty well. "Ok guys, we'll be needing the small child one today."
 
Given that the Empire developed Grogu-sized handcuffs I'd say they're prepared to detain and torture a prisoner of any size. Or age.

I saw a fanfilm where they adapted Kenneth Branagh's "Conspiracy" movie about the Wannsee Conference WORD for WORD to take place during the beginning of the Empire, where a table of Imperials had to decide an answer to the alien question.

It was a decision in the 70s that all imperial officers were white and British.
 
Given that at least one Jedi in the pre-Disney EU was an Aleena(Tsui Choi) and that's a species even tinier than Yoda's I think the Empire was prepared for all possibilities when it came to apprehending its enemies and tracking down Jedi.
 
How does Reva mind-probe Leia and not realize she's Force sensitive? She's literally the worst inquisitor ever.

Not much film/TV watching experience? Just because they didn't let you know in the show, doesn't mean it didn't happen or doesn;t exist because you didn't see it.

I was thinking the same thing. She may know Leia is force sensitive, but not letting that info out yet. She is obviously a player, and bides her time to make the right moves.

Or of course there could be reasonable explanation they have come up with so Reva didn't find out. May be explained later.

That said, I think Reva is awesome, doing a great job. A wonderful antagonist for a Star Wars show.
 
Something about the Inquisitorial "tomb" has been bothering me (for reasons beyond the obvious) and a very creepy and sinister possibility. I mentioned it earlier, but a lot of these bodies look suspiciously "undamaged" considering they presumably met their end facing either Vader or an inquisitor. No missing limbs, no sabre burns etc. Almost as if they were still alive when they were put in those things. Then I remembered that Dryden Vos's collection (mostly of relics of the Sith persuasion) included several sentient creatures that were frozen in suspended animation, yet supposedly still very much conscious and aware.

With that in mind: what if the purpose of this facility isn't for the sake of trophies (they already have a room full of sabres for that), or just to store for future use (genetic samples, force presence bait etc.), but are instead not in fact dead very all very much alive and conscious, frozen in a perpetual hell of terror and suffering. What does that do? Well, one imagines it does wonders for the local strength of the dark side for the inquisitors and Vader to draw strength from.
I didn't think about them being used to draw dark side energy from, but they definitely gave off the appearance of being fairly intact and frozen in some amber-like suspended animation. I did not get the vibe of people who had limbs or heads or torsos hacked to bits by lightsabers. It's possible there were clean fatal stabs to the heart or lungs that were obscured, but the overwhelming impression the scene left me feeling was that they were still alive.
 
If they are it opens the possibility of seeing Tera Sinube in live action and not just as a body suspended inside some kind of chamber. Though I think our visits to that level of the Inquisitors' base may be over so the series can focus on the rest of the story.
 
Enjoyable, liked that Obi was doing some Jedi stuff.
Reminded me of rebels.. How they kept on stealing transports to the point of them saying so..

I found this episode rather Rebels-like as well. Which makes it different in feel from the previous episodes, but I don't mind. The galaxy is a big place.

Sure, the rebel attack on the fortress was unbelievable, but Star Wars is rarely big on planetary defenses. Those Clone Wars blockades of entire planets were a joke, and enemy ground installations could always be easily approached if they just flew in low or from behind a cloud bank, even if they were chased by enemy fighters. Still, it made for fun stories, so I'm willing to cut them a lot of slack there.

I think McGregor and Blair are great, the actors playing the Inquisitors rather less so. They should perhaps have made another choice for this series' antagonists. They don't translate well from animation. And I'm really hoping they're going to give Christensen something to do in the remaining episodes. It can be anyone on the Vader suit.
 
And a handful of X-Wing fighters penetrated Imperial defenses at Eadu to attack Galen Erso's facility in Rogue One so even in Disney Star Wars this isn't the first time a few good guy ships make a successful strafing run on an Imperial facility.
 
Perhaps Leia has a similar skill to mask her Force sensitivity like Palpatine was against the Jedi Council? I mean no one seems to suspect anything about her on that front until Luke instinctively calls out to her at Cloud City and later gets confirmation from Ben that she is his twin sister. In a sort time under his training, Leia was pretty much better than Luke in at least some of the combat skills, as seen in the Rise of Skywalker flashbacks.
 
Palpatine was presumably doing that consciously. Whatever Leia is doing (if indeed she is doing anything) she's doing unconsciously.
 
While I didn't think back to Vos, I did wonder the same thing. That's a terrifying proposition...and an entirely believable one. I wonder if the show will address that chamber again at some point. I imagine they will if one of those younglings is indeed from the Purge and it was someone Third Sister knew....
According to the credits, it is indeed the same kid from the first episode.
Actually, the same two kids. Not sure what's going on there but six kids are credited for the flashback, when only five are actually in the scene, though two of them have the same last name. In this episode again it's the two apparent siblings being credited, yet only one appears on screen. One assumes they're using twins to play the same role for some reason? I'm sure there is a perfectly logical reason, it just seems odd at first blush since that's the sort of thing that's more commonly done with babies and toddlers, not 8-10 year olds.
Sure, the rebel attack on the fortress was unbelievable, but Star Wars is rarely big on planetary defenses. Those Clone Wars blockades of entire planets were a joke, and enemy ground installations could always be easily approached if they just flew in low or from behind a cloud bank, even if they were chased by enemy fighters. Still, it made for fun stories, so I'm willing to cut them a lot of slack there.
The only thing that bothered me was glossing over the blockade of destroyers in orbit. Five years prior Cal and Cere were only able to get through thanks to Nightsister magiks. Four or five years after this, the Ghost cell was able to do it thanks to stealing an Imperial ship. I guess in this case Tala could have provided Roken with clearance codes to get past the perimeter, but I don't recall that being specified.
Perhaps Leia has a similar skill to mask her Force sensitivity like Palpatine was against the Jedi Council?
Cut dialogue from the movies indicates that it wasn't Palpatine actively blocking them, it was that the dark side was permeating and obscuring *everything*, preventing them from seeing the future through the light side. There was even a cut scene in RotS of Yoda in meditation, deliberately drawing on the dark side to peer through the obstruction. Later media suggests that the cause wasn't Palpatine personally doing all this through force of will, but it was instead the Temple itself that was the problem, having been built atop an ancient wellspring of darkness that had long since been thought neutralized and then forgotten over the course of millennia. Wouldn't be surprised it Palaptine or some previous Darth had had some role in reawakening it, but I could just as easy believe this is just another case of Jedi complacency.

As for what Leia's doing; force sensitivity or no, she has a strong mind and a will of pure beskar. Remember that it took three Jedi Masters working together to try to force their way into Cad Bane's mind, and even then all it did was cause enough pain that he capitulated before they were able to break through. So she need not be drawing on the force at all.
Indeed, we already know that in ANH she was able to resist Vader's mindprobe and an interrogation droid without Vader suspecting her true force sensitivity.
 
Well, I mean in 9 years time Vader will torture Leia and not notice she's force sensitive and you'd obviously agree that Vader's command of the Force far exceeds Reva's, yes?

Reva may have a specific force skill that is superior to Vader though. I believe she or one of the other Inquisitors talks about her special ability in an earlier episode.

So it might be like Vader is the strongest in the force of all force users, but it doesn't mean there aren't aspects or skills that someone may be better than him at in this case the using the force to see/draw out a person's memories.
 
Reva may have a specific force skill that is superior to Vader though. I believe she or one of the other Inquisitors talks about her special ability in an earlier episode.

So it might be like Vader is the strongest in the force of all force users, but it doesn't mean there aren't aspects or skills that someone may be better than him at in this case the using the force to see/draw out a person's memories.
Something Kylo Ren was also trained or taleneted in.
 
And a handful of X-Wing fighters penetrated Imperial defenses at Eadu to attack Galen Erso's facility in Rogue One so even in Disney Star Wars this isn't the first time a few good guy ships make a successful strafing run on an Imperial facility.
Yep. It seems like a classic flaw of Imperial facilities--they're vulnerable to attacks from small craft. Like the original Death Star, they seem to be prepared more for major engagements, not small guerilla assaults, IMO.
 
It's fucking boring. I came up with better storylines than this playing with my SW toys when I was 9. And I'm sorry, but the actors playing the inquisitors suck. balls.

They're not particularly interesting villains.

If Leia is considered complicit in some underground Jedi railroad, how does Alderaan and the entire Organa family not get smoked right then and there, but continue to fool the Empire for another decade while actively participating in the Rebellion? Is Vader too stupid to realize that Obi-wan showing up after Bail Organa's daughter is kidnapped might mean something?

Excellent observation. In Star Wars, Vader accuses Leia of being part of the Rebellion, so clearly, this is information he's been aware of for some time, so when one considers the Imperial expansion / control by that time, if Vader (and the Empire) knew Bail and or his world were tied to Kenobi (thanks to the Obi-Wan series), how did Bail not end up on a penal colony or dead long before the original film?
Its not as if the Empire cared about optics for the senate, and in the 10 years between the Kenobi series and Star Wars, the Empire was actively in the process of getting rid of what Tarkin referred to as the "last remnants of the Old Republic"--which would include Alderaan...with a senator who conspired with the most wanted Jedi master in the galaxy...

How does a rebel ship just hang out in the atmosphere unchallenged? Do all those TIE fighters we saw in the landing bay never patrol? No orbital pickets? No restricted zone? Two T-47's just roll up on the base unchallenged and start smoking the Imps?

Yes, that was rather implausible, even for a sci-fi series.

Obi-wan literally walks past the entire garrison hiding a ten year old under his coat? GTFOOH! This is all just weak sauce, man. Just weak, weak sauce.

I suppose that was meant to be a visual gag, but given the serious nature of all leading up to that scene, it was the wrong time to pull that gag.
 
So BBY year Zero... All the Jedi were hiding successfully on Aalderan?

Maybe what Ob-Wan heard wasn't millions of voices crying out in terror and suddenly silenced?

It was the sound of 10 thousand Jedi crying out in terror and suddenly silenced.
 
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