As I understand, the Force isn't unlimited. Force users do get fatigued. It could be that he just didn't have the power to put the flames out.?
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As I understand, the Force isn't unlimited. Force users do get fatigued. It could be that he just didn't have the power to put the flames out.?
No no, that's not how it works! We must decide what are conclusions are ahead of time and then rigidly stick to the narrative!
It's all part of the same ecosystem. The sad part is some of them don't even realise it.
The force IS effectively infinite. Organic bodies on the other hand have limits. I mean we've never seen someone draw on so much power they spontaneously combust or detonate like a nuke, but I wouldn't be shocked if some ancient sith lord was able and dumb enough to push it to such an extreme. What we have seen however is Luke collapse and die from the sheer effort of projecting an image of himself half way across the galaxy.
In this case though, I don't think Vader was tired. He's toying with Obi-Wan. He's terrified him, wounded him, and now he's going to let him limp away for a bit knowing he'll be right at his heels again at any moment.
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I don't think that for a second. Vader wouldn't have let him get away if he could have helped it. He hes spent years trying to find him, using The Inquisitors to do so, just to let him escape? Not buying that. He may not have been tired, though I think he was. He used the Force a number of times before the encounter with Ben, physically fought with Ben and used the Force while fighting and then used it again in torturing Ben.
But it could have been he didn't know exactly what he was up against at that moment. It seemed like he was deciding what to do. not sure how many enemies were out there.
Though if he was tired, they probably won't show that on screen because it would take away from his ominous presence. They may describe that fatigue in a novel however.
I didn't say escape, I said limp away. One assumes there's a destroyer in orbit so as far as Vader is concerned he has Kenobi boxed in, so he can't go far, let alone escape.
Of course he doesn't know that the person helping him is an Imperial officer, which may be Ben's only hope of making it out . . . or maybe he doesn't and in the next episode Vader drags him back to Fortress Inquisitorious. We'll see.
What sort of operational Authority did Vader actually have?
It's more likely that that was Tarkin's plan, or Tarkin's unnamed second, who was actually invested in doing their job well, rather than prancing around sticking needles into teenagers.
Yes, those two shots she made were way too accurate to be Imperial trained. lol
At one point, SOTE says precisely this ( through Vader's POV ).
Definitely Vader's idea, but done under Tarkin's authority.
Tarkin: "And you're sure the homing beacon is secure onboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."
It was explicitly Vader's plan, and Tarkin wasn't thrilled about the gamble.
As for authority: in that instance Vader and Tarkin were more or less at the same level. The Death Star was Tarkin's command, but Vader was there as the Emperor's proxy to serve and protect his interests. If Tarkin did anything the Emperor wouldn't like, then Vader would assert control, otherwise it was Tarkin's show to run.
I agree.
Either Vader kept his rank of General when the grand Army of the republic converted into the Imperial Army that is parallel to the Imperial Navy, or he is a political officer, which supersedes rank, if he is a proxy for the emperor.
Vader has no rank per se; he is a Sith Lord, and the emperor's right hand. He is Lord Vader.
Wherever he shows up, he is in command. Voice your objection at your own peril.
Wherever he shows up, he is in command. Voice your objection at your own peril.
Mayfeld wasn't Imperial trained?
Also, those really bad aiming stormtroopers on the Tantive IV. All those rebels were not really dead.
Jawas too. Until 3PO burned them. Oof, tragic.
He's not a part of the military. Technically, neither is Tarkin. Empires, especially those of the totalitarian persuasion, don't really separate military and civilian matters. The police and the soldiery are the same thing. By extension, a regional governor (Moff in this case) carries out said governance by leveraging the military forces assigned to him by the grace of the Emperor. That means Tarkin gets to order around basically anyone in a uniform that isn't him, even other Moffs because: "Grand Moff".
Vader is something else again. As a Lord, he serves only the Emperor, and his authority extends however far the Emperor says it does. If the Emperor give him command of a fleet, everyone in that fleet is required to treat his orders as if they come from the Emperor himself. He says "jump" they says "off which cliff m'lord?"
Even if Vader hasn't been given specific command over a given ship, base, or whole planet, very few ranking Imperials--even Admirals and Moffs--are likely to question his right to do or indeed demand anything he damn well he damn well pleases, because one doesn't need a degree in political science to know the folly in actively opposing an Emperor's most favoured servant with out being VERY sure they're on firm ground, politically.
From what they wear, I would assume Vader oversees the inquisitors, if there wasn't a Grand Inquisitor.
The Emperor is the Sith Pope, so Vader is a Sith Bishop?
There must be other classes of Sith than just the inquisitors.
(Google says that there was a rich stratified sith culture during the old republic, but not so during the imperial era.)
How can it be a secret that the Emperor is Sith, if Vader is out?
If Sheev is out, then Sith should be the official state religion even for non force users... Unless Palpatine believes in freedom of Religion? Y'Know except for Jedi.
The Emperor is the Sith Pope, so Vader is a Sith Bishop?
There must be other classes of Sith than just the inquisitors.
(Google says that there was a rich stratified sith culture during the old republic, but not so during the imperial era.)
How can it be a secret that the Emperor is Sith, if Vader is out?
If Sheev is out, then Sith should be the official state religion even for non force users... Unless Palpatine believes in freedom of Religion? Y'Know except for Jedi.
Inquisitors aren't Sith. At least they aren't in Palpatine's Empire (they very well may have been on any number of historical Sith Empires.) They're corrupted Jedi that serve the Sith as bloodhounds, nothing more.
That's called a joke fireproof. lolMayfeld wasn't Imperial trained?
Also, those really bad aiming stormtroopers on the Tantive IV. All those rebels were not really dead.
Jawas too. Until 3PO burned them. Oof, tragic.
Here's another. Since she showed skill with a blaster she was specifically removed from Stormtrooper school for officer training.
That's a better joke...
...not by much.
Sorry, was a little burnt by the "bad stormtrooper joke" ridiculousness after the Corridor Crew video thread.
Doesn't it feel like Lord Vader is trying to take an apprentice?
Or that Third Sister is looking for a Master?
Either she has a personal grudge against Obi-Wan, or she wants to butter up Vader with a gift.
Sith is a Religion.
There might be books on the subject in the library if the Jedi hadn't burned them all.
Luke never read shit about the Jedi, yet "claims" to be the greatest Jedi ever.
The rule of Two.
Sith must hunt and kill their own, unless there is a treaty.
Consider the Grooming process.
As a Sith master you spend years grooming some idiot child until you are read to possess their body, when some other Sith Master from two towns over sneaks in and snakes your apprentice stealing their youthful body, endangering your own immortality.
I never like the idea of Sith body transference when it first reared its ugly head in the Dark Empire comics, and I liked it even less in Rise of Skywalker.
It's just a lame plot device to recycle old villains over and over instead of coming up with something new.
It's just a lame plot device to recycle old villains over and over instead of coming up with something new.
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