I made it through Sub Rosa

[DGCatAniSiri]

Sub Rosa is cheesy, goofy, but enjoyable in the fact that we have Gates McFadden absolutely selling that ghost candle sex. It’s not the product we necessarily WANTED, but it’s what she’s giving us, dagnabbit!

Plus, going from a strict rewatch order, when I was going through my season seven DVD recently. I was willing to laugh (admittedly at it if not with it) and call it a palate cleanser from Homeward, the episode where our heroes are willing to sit back and let genocide happen in the name of obeying the Prime Directive. I stopped watching THAT episode before the end of act one, but stuck it out through the whole of Sub Rosa. So... there’s that, anyway.

 

[Jedi Marso]

OK, now I'm going to have to go back and rewatch this. A little Beverly Crusher ghost candle sex never gets old.

 

[tomalak301]

Before I joined fan forums like this one, I thought Sub Rosa was just an average episode, not good or bad, but just average. I didn't realize how much it was hated until I came here, and now I wonder if it's hated "too" much.

 

[at Quark's]

The only exception to this rule is an episode composed of entirely new flashbacks.

I don't believe I have ever seen that (in a T.V. series). What would you call such an episode? (I mean 'clip show' would give the wrong impression).

 

[Ragitsu]

I don't believe I have ever seen that (in a T.V. series). What would you call such an episode? (I mean 'clip show' would give the wrong impression).

I know that I've seen such an episode at least once, but I'm struggling to think of any strong examples.

Hm...there was an episode of Stargate SG-1 that involved someone having their memories probed; those memories were flashbacks of hitherto unseen events.

 

[Oddish]

Homeward, the episode where our heroes are willing to sit back and let genocide happen in the name of obeying the Prime Directive.

The funny thing is, once he is no longer required to be EVIL Picard by the plot, Picard flip-flops to normal before episode's end:
CRUSHER: "Are you saying you're sorry we saved the Boraalans?"
PICARD: "No, of course not. Our plan for them worked out well..."

 

[at Quark's]

The funny thing is, once he is no longer required to be EVIL Picard by the plot, Picard flip-flops to normal before episode's end:
CRUSHER: "Are you saying you're sorry we saved the Boraalans?"
PICARD: "No, of course not. Our plan for them worked out well..."

The way I headcanon my, well, head around that, is that Picard privately always wanted to save the Boraalans, but simply didn't allow himself to do that, because of his perceived obligation to the Prime Directive, and was secretly glad when Nikolai did what he couldn't do, forcing his hand. Even though he couldn't show it as the ship's captain, of course

 

[AlanC9]

I've been defending Sub Rosa for decades, and I'm not gonna stop now.

I've always bought into David Gerrold's argument that the best thing, the distinctive thing, about Trek is that it can do or be anything. Literally, anything. Well, then, why not do a cheesy Gothic romance/horror story?

 

[Jedi Marso]

Hey, at least it wasn't made into a holodeck episode. Right?

 

[Oddish]

They left that honor for Voyager, Tom Paris, and Kathryn "Delete the Wife" Janeway.

 

[Kor]

I don't believe I have ever seen that (in a T.V. series). What would you call such an episode? (I mean 'clip show' would give the wrong impression).

Personally I would call it a "flashback episode."
I'm not sure about entire episodes, but CW's "Arrow" did a lot of flashing back in the first four seasons to show stuff that happened in the "missing years" before the present day timeframe of the show, sometimes making interesting revelations that connected to the present-day narrative, and sometimes seeming to have absolutely no point whatsoever. I think the season 1 episode "The Odyssey" was particularly flashback-heavy as the protagonist Oliver Queen spends much of the episode out of commission being treated for a gunshot wound.

Kor

 

[Ragitsu]

Personally I would call it a "flashback episode."
I'm not sure about entire episodes, but CW's "Arrow" did a lot of flashing back in the first four seasons to show stuff that happened in the "missing years" before the present day timeframe of the show, sometimes making interesting revelations that connected to the present-day narrative, and sometimes seeming to have absolutely no point whatsoever. I think the season 1 episode "The Odyssey" was particularly flashback-heavy as the protagonist Oliver Queen spends much of the episode out of commission being treated for a gunshot wound.

Kor

I ended up jumping ship because that format - over the long run - held little appeal for me.

 

[dupersuper]

I don't believe I have ever seen that (in a T.V. series). What would you call such an episode? (I mean 'clip show' would give the wrong impression).

I know that I've seen such an episode at least once, but I'm struggling to think of any strong examples.

Hm...there was an episode of Stargate SG-1 that involved someone having their memories probed; those memories were flashbacks of hitherto unseen events.

Community springs to mind. Also Rick & Morty.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Okay, just finished the latest rewatch of this episode. Yah, it's pretty bad. I still like the idea of an Earth colony deliberately designed after the Scottish Highlands. Kind of place I'd retire from starfleet at- minus weird anasphasic ghosts and what-not.

Here's something to ponder: does replicated haggis taste better or worse than the real thing?

 

[Tango]

Here's something to ponder: does replicated haggis taste better or worse than the real thing?

Having tried the real thing, I sincerely would hope better...

 

[Ragitsu]

I made it through Sub Rosa

 

[Legate Duhmar]

Sub Rosa is one of those episodes where we just decided to go outside instead, even if it was the middle of winter. Another one is Masks or the one where Beverly falls for the glowing alien guy from Cocoon.

 

[Leviathan]

 

[MarkusTay]

Maybe we just start a "Sub-Rosa survivor's support group"?

EDIT: Can my support animal be a tribble?

 

[Ragitsu]

Sub Rosa is one of those episodes where we just decided to go outside instead, even if it was the middle of winter.

One man's punishment is another man's paradise; I'd gladly take a stroll outside during winter.