"New batch" of bonus features sounds promising!
TMP-DE fully restored in 4K…it’s about time!
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Any word on any of the "fixes" the 4KDE is in need of?
While I agree we'll never see another TMP again, that was already true when TWOK came out. We'll also never see anything like TVH again, and that was already the case when Berman Trek prematurely got the keys to the movie franchise. I won't accept that thoughtful Trek belongs to the past. People have been saying that for over fifteen years and... it's gotten kinda old. Anybody with the will could make Trek cerebral again. I also don't accept the Kelvin films as being any more stupid (in fact I would argue that they're less stupid) than the TNG movies. They at least know where they want to start and finish, while presenting something that resembles a coherent story in between - something I'm lead to understand we're still waiting on the Kurtzman Trek streaming machine to demonstrate even once with one of its live action story arcs.
Is there a general agreement (and acknowledgement) as to what fixes are needed?Any word on any of the "fixes" the 4KDE is in need of?
Current Trek is largely about rearranging pieces and references with eye candy and meaningless redundant action. Engaging story is an afterthought, if at all.
TMP was a bold move after Star Wars. Star Wars was the sign post of things to come which TMP didn’t follow. For decades it’s been lambasted and derided for that yet now it’s a refreshing change. TWOK was the more conventional “me too” after Star Wars and that continues unto today.
Everyone will have a different cutoff point, 2009 being a popular one for dumb Trek becoming the norm. Although I lost interest in DS9 I’d argue thats when substance in Trek was last seen. VOY was a TNG wannabe and ENT was a VOY redress and dishonest TOS reboot. At that point then contemporary Trek was tired.
DSC is another dishonest reboot/reset and a cringe inducing one at that, continued by PIC. And now SNW is yet another TOS reboot and again a dishonest one in claiming it’s the same continuity as the Prime universe. SNW only looks good in comparison to what has immediately preceded it. Compared to the best of Trek of the past it’s a joke and not even close. It’s a paint-by-numbers effort trying to pass itself off as the real deal. Not even close.
The Star Trek we knew and loved is dead. The only way to resurrect it is to start with an honest clean sheet and understand what made the best of the past work. And avoid the rising hacks du jour like the Abrams and Kurtzmans of the world to develop and helm it.
TMP was a bold move after Star Wars. Star Wars was the sign post of things to come which TMP didn’t follow. For decades it’s been lambasted and derided for that yet now it’s a refreshing change. TWOK was the more conventional “me too” after Star Wars and that continues unto today.
Everyone will have a different cutoff point, 2009 being a popular one for dumb Trek becoming the norm. Although I lost interest in DS9 I’d argue thats when substance in Trek was last seen. VOY was a TNG wannabe and ENT was a VOY redress and dishonest TOS reboot. At that point then contemporary Trek was tired.
DSC is another dishonest reboot/reset and a cringe inducing one at that, continued by PIC. And now SNW is yet another TOS reboot and again a dishonest one in claiming it’s the same continuity as the Prime universe. SNW only looks good in comparison to what has immediately preceded it. Compared to the best of Trek of the past it’s a joke and not even close. It’s a paint-by-numbers effort trying to pass itself off as the real deal. Not even close.
The Star Trek we knew and loved is dead. The only way to resurrect it is to start with an honest clean sheet and understand what made the best of the past work. And avoid the rising hacks du jour like the Abrams and Kurtzmans of the world to develop and helm it.
I don't know.
I'd be happy if they just fixed the things that are undeniably errors, like the frozen footage in the corner of the air tram arrival.
I read that somewhere back, I've not been able to spot it and even reading through it I have no idea what to look for and where. It sounds like they should fix it though.
I had an issue with one of the sound elements as I mentioned on I believe the last page... when Kirk asked Chekov about the orbiting devices and it literally sounds like his voice was coming out of a tape.
In addition, I've finally decided the main titles just do not work at all. It looks like they're trying to do the same kind of horizontal stretch-focus on the titles that they did with the DVD, except that my eyes flat-out refuse to see that as what's happening every goddamn time. (Instead I register a kind of vertical strobing, as if each movie-font letter were composed of five horizontal lines, the even ones appearing only after the odd ones have materialized).
As an outsider from that time and era, I believe you're spot on on this about DS9; from my POV the seasons were getting more and more complex along with their stories, heroes and their shrouding villains. Those stories were not simply Black and White and probably lead Paramount to change course with it dramatically in Season 4 adding Worf to let audiences know they're not doing those stories anymore and they didn't. The 4th - 7th Seasons are weak in comparison of the 1st 3 seasons, reading your comments I see a similar pattern from TMP to TWOK, a cerebral bold path to take a movie franchise to separate themselves from Star Wars instead of following the norm... WHICH THEY IMMEDIATELY did.
DS9 was not grabbing TNG audiences and the material needed a face-lift - dumbing down of sorts - so here comes the mindless action where the Defiant can destroy Klingon fleets and Cardassians and the boring, 1 dimensional Dominion every week. DS9 became the series version of TWOK.
I don't think the Dominion War made DS9's stories any less complex.
I bailed on DS9 because at the time I liked Babylon 5 better. I was tired of then contemporary Trek. But the glimpses I caught of DS9 impressed me more than what I saw on VOY and ENT. And it’s been downhill since.
TMP really stands out now because it aimed higher than what a lot of sci-fi usually does then and now. But recall, too, that the late ‘70s and into the ‘80s and early ‘90s was when a fair number of decent SF films were coming out.
TMP really stands out now because it aimed higher than what a lot of sci-fi usually does then and now. But recall, too, that the late ‘70s and into the ‘80s and early ‘90s was when a fair number of decent SF films were coming out.
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Babylon 5 was interesting.
The reason TMP was aiming high because Roddenberry wanted to deliver something which was on the standards of his contemporaries. Star Wars was not the bar for him but 2001: A Space Odyssey and the bold movies made during the 1970's decade.
The reason TMP was aiming high because Roddenberry wanted to deliver something which was on the standards of his contemporaries. Star Wars was not the bar for him but 2001: A Space Odyssey and the bold movies made during the 1970's decade.
Any word on any of the "fixes" the 4KDE is in need of?
Last I heard the only fixes will be to errors reported in the closed captions.
There is no more budget to do even more tweaking.
That's quite the bummer, I have to say. To have this "final" version be forever marred by clumsy, if understandable mistakes.
That's quite the bummer, I have to say. To have this "final" version be forever marred by clumsy, if understandable mistakes.
There is sure to be the interactive holographic version eventually.
So apparently the 4K restoration wasn't just a resolution upscale, but there were actual legit changes as seen at 12 Most Fascinating Updates For The 4K ‘Star Trek: The Motion Picture – Directors Edition’ – TrekMovie.com despite Robert Wise having passed away some time ago already.
If they were making changes, why not add in the NX-01 to the lounge scene showing all past ships called Enterprise?
If they were making changes, why not add in the NX-01 to the lounge scene showing all past ships called Enterprise?
No, no and fuck NO!
Because they were conforming it to storyboards, the wishes of the late Bob Wise and to fix continuity errors, not to match it up with TV shows which were decades in the future of the filming of this movie.
Hey it's a fair question because that never stopped that other star franchise.
That was because the brainchild behind the franchise couldn't keep his own story straight and had to backtrack endlessly.
Personally, I feel there's far too much connecting of dots in the Star Trek universe as it is.
