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What happened to Memory Beta?

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Is Memory Beta just completely ignoring Picard? I looked around on the pages for Picard and Riker and didn't see any mention of anything from Picard, Picard: Countdown or The Last Best Hope there.

Things are getting added, episode pages are up, the Last Best Hope is up, characters from that novel and the Picard Countdown comics are getting added. Lots of little things like Freecloud and stuff are up. Since Beta is focused on the tie-ins, most people are focusing on adding data from the novel and the comics before concentrating on the episodes, because Alpha has that covered for now.

But in any case, the major articles need massive rewrites, segregating the post-Nemesis novels from the Picard data. It's a massive (yes, Jody, massive) task and we only have a few active editors right now and only one admin, who barks at anyone who makes major changes without discussion first. Once the first episode premiered, a discussion was started about how to handle that, and Mike has said he's working on putting templates and things in place. It's going to take some time. If some of you disenfranchised editors and admins could come back and help, and maybe talk The Doctor and other old admins into coming back, we might see some movement. I have three other wikis I am actually an admin on -- I turned down the role of MB admin years ago when people asked, for reasons that should be obvious -- that I have to see to as well, so I don't have the time to fix all this myself while justifying every change to Mike.

PLEASE HELP.
 
If I'm going to do anything anywhere it'll be on Memory Omega, I already had one run in with Mike and that was enough for me. I'm focusing on Titan and Vanguard over there, so it'll probably be a while before I start any other projects.
 
If I'm going to do anything anywhere it'll be on Memory Omega, I already had one run in with Mike and that was enough for me. I'm focusing on Titan and Vanguard over there, so it'll probably be a while before I start any other projects.
Understood. But don't blame MB for being slow, then.
 
I've found its coverage of a lot of recent things to be spotty at best. I've come upon a number of articles that were out of date and didn't mention things from the past few years' worth of books and comics.

I agree. But Mike apparently hasn't read many of the last few years worth of books, and as he is at times the only consistently active editor, a lot of things are spotty. I'm way behind on novels myself post The Fall, because of financial and health reasons. The Disco books and more recent stuff like Greg Cox's fantastic The Antares Maelstrom have been easier for me to catch up on thanks to the return of Trek in audiobook format, but I'm still lagging. Hopefully I'll be able to The Higher Frontier soon, but I still have your last couple of books to catch up on. Hoping to see you, Greg, KRAD and everyone at Shore Leave if it's still on by the time the current situation blows over.
 
He's currently the only active admin on the site...

By his own actions. I'm seeing three pages of others here talking about how they walked away because they didn't play by "Captain" Mike's unpublished rules.

If /when Mike is..."done"...with Memory Beta,what is the future for the site? I've made hundreds of solid and respectable copy edits, both on my profile and as an open IP, but I'm done. I won't even go back to that place to use the site. His vicious attacks on me and attempts to redirect the controversy that he caused were simply childish, unwarranted temper tantrums and indicative of someone trying to control at least one aspect of his cloistered life.

However, wikis--by their very nature--constantly need new blood and from that new blood comes new leadership. Mike has CLEARLY driven off talent, as evident within this thread and elsewhere on TrekBBS, and as Google highlights in its searches.When people talk about how screwed up Memory Beta is (regardless if its on Reddit, Memory Alpha, Facebook, DeviantArt), the thread quickly alludes to that "one argumentative admin". Why would anyone want to step in there and help, if the other admins/bureaucrats are not willing to unify and put the wiki ahead of Mike's self-characterized victimization? Without other authorities, everyone is simply on a limited timeframe to being driven off (like I was) or outright banned.

The reason Memory Beta will be an increasing disaster, is because Mike doesn't know how to manage projects, much less people. No successful wiki can be managed by only one admin; there's no evidence of any such beast of any size, any where. Memory Beta needs to be saved from Mike, not "protected" by him.
 
Revanche, nobody's disagreeing with you in principle. MKB's caused a LOT of people to walk away, including me for a long time. And not just on Memory Beta. Our enmity goes back to STPMA and elsewhere online, waaaay far in the distant past of internet fandom.

But you really need to calm down, because you're not helping anything. And by continuing to harp on what he's done to you personally, you're just adding to the problem.

This latest incident, as others have pointed out, was actually much more your fault than his. You pulled a valid reference, because you couldn't spell something. Mike replaced it, pointed out the error, and you kept bitching at him. You were spoiling for a fight. You had plenty of chances to back off and cool off, but you kept pushing, and got banned because of it.

So chill out, calm down and think about how you can be a part of the solution instead of adding to a growing catastrophe.
 
Sigh. There's a discussion about the nature of Memory Beta going on here -- whether it's the "Everything Star Trek Ever" wiki or focused on non-canon creative works. Mike started the discussion himself with a question about the article's POV, and this is where it led. Per his talk page, it's "too long" and he doesn't want to bother following the discussion. I had to remind him that it was part of his job, and now he's gone to the other user and asked him for a summary as well.

In the section above that on his talk page, I proposed implementing a merge suggestion template, because he's been using the deletion template, which has put people on the defensive, instead of inviting reasonable discussion. He rejects the notion as "too complicated," despite being the SOP for Wikipedia, Memory Alpha, and every other major wiki on the planet. Every time a merge discussion comes up, it always comes down to him not wanting to do it and me having to search for minutiae to justify it - it usually works out my way in the end, but the process is ridiculous, and always leads to conflict. See the talk pages here and here. A merge template would help open the discussion to others, yet he doesn't want to bother.

What do you do when the sole active bureaucrat of a wiki doesn't want to bother doing their job?
 
What do you do when the sole active bureaucrat of a wiki doesn't want to bother doing their job?
Well, the Forever World article has been merged and the Valan III article has been renamed, so if I were you, I'd be happy with my victories instead of complaining. In the future, just rename the article without starting a discussion. If you include an explanation for the rename, then 9 times out of 10, captainmike won't object. That's one thing I like about Memory Beta, as opposed to Memory Alpha. You can rename almost any article without needing to discuss the issue to death. In my experience, the only times captainmike has objected to a rename was when I changed "Blastoneuron" to "Denevan neural parasite" and when I changed "Harold Morrow" to "Harrison Morrow".

As for the merge template suggestion, deletion and merging are pretty much the same thing, so I don't understand why other wikis bother to have separate templates for them. If you want to make it clear that you want to merge instead of deleting something completely, just vote merge in the Pages for deletion discussion.

I've just posted my opinion on the Talk:Prometheus (material) page.
 
I could never understand why people described Star Trek as hostile, aggressive, or toxic. I was raised on the TOS movies and TNG, I know that's not what this franchise is. This franchise gave me so much, and I never had the ability to connect with anyone about it until I was in college - and not for a lack of cultural knowledge. Consistently, I learned that a surprising amount of people had negative connotations about Star Trek, without ever having seen it. I never pried, and eventually the franchise fell out of the public collective consciousness, after Nemesis. I found other interests, and in the modern era, enthusiast communities live and die by collaborative community projects - be that community GitHub repositories, YouTube creator communities, large forums, or - especially - wikis. The thing that makes these sort of communities such fantastic resources is that everyone can see, use, and access them, but three is no *obligation* to take part. A significant amount of the community can exist only referring to these things as a resource, without having to create the community content themselves.

Memory Alpha is the biggest, most well SEO’d Star Trek fan site on the entire internet. It meets essentially all the standards of a high-quality wiki. However, by having such a limited scope - only Memory Beta is the second-most well SEO’d Star Trek fan site on the entire internet, and the one with the most obvious potential, as many people enjoy a franchise having multiple aspects, and many would argue, that’s the entire point. It was only natural I would wind up there eventually. The STO wiki is fun, but there’s so much more to this franchise than just one game.

I could never understand why people described Star Trek as hostile, aggressive, or toxic… until I spent some time on Memory Beta, and got to know captainmike. At first I thought he was a child who somehow got admin rights, with the way he acted, but the account was too old for that. Or perhaps he was from one of the non-english wikis, with his wild disregard for English syntax, but one of his recent temper tantrums threw that theory out the window. Over the last several years, I have watched him create rules and never follow them, create rules that violated most of his entire edit history, create policies that went against how wikitext works, actively break aspects of the wiki when new features rolled out for no discernable reason other than wanting to avoid something new, harass users for using built-in editing and formatting tools, harass users for not finishing things quickly enough when sometimes leaving projects in-progress for weeks himself, drive off helpful community member after helpful community member who was just trying to help clean up the mess - I could go on, but frankly, I don’t want to. He has turned the wiki into his own personal little kingdom, and is singlehandedly responsible for Memory Beta being a third-rate wiki. To this day, I still don’t think ‘fans’ like captainmike actually enjoy Star Trek - they more seem to enjoy hating it. Or hating… at it? It truly is hard to say, and it *really* doesn’t matter. I keep reminding myself, these are people like this in every community, and they’re always a tiny minority. Still, knowing THIS is what people thought I was when I said I like Star Trek stings like hell.

So yeah, that’s what happened to Memory Beta, as far as I can tell.

My only question is, why hasn’t anyone revoked his privileges yet, or just flat-out banned him? Other high-privilege admins still exist, even if they’ve largely been scared away - and once he’s gone the community can actually grow enough for other people to step up. This is a massive franchise, with a massive fanbase behind it. The second-most well SEO’d Star Trek fan site is not going to fade into obscurity or disrepair because of the loss of a single lousy admin. If the currently-terrible user retention of the wiki is anything to go off of, it seems to be just *waiting* to really flourish, and is actively being prevented from doing so.
 
My only question is, why hasn’t anyone revoked his privileges yet, or just flat-out banned him? Other high-privilege admins still exist, even if they’ve largely been scared away - and once he’s gone the community can actually grow enough for other people to step up. This is a massive franchise, with a massive fanbase behind it. The second-most well SEO’d Star Trek fan site is not going to fade into obscurity or disrepair because of the loss of a single lousy admin. If the currently-terrible user retention of the wiki is anything to go off of, it seems to be just *waiting* to really flourish, and is actively being prevented from doing so.
Captainmike is not just an admin, he's a bureaucrat, which gives him the power to create new admins and presumably to take away others' admin privileges when he feels it's necessary. Since he's the only bureaucrat on Memory Beta, I don't think there's anyone who can ban him. The other two active admins Markonian and Meacott are both excellent contributors, but are too non-confrontational to call out Captainmike for his abusive behaviour.
Walked away…or, in at least one case…

mine

…permanently BANNED.
I've been banned as well. It was during an argument where I was able to prove that I was in the right by quoting policies that Captainmike himself had written. He ignored those policies and continued flinging insults at me. Regrettably, I was the one who started the insults, but he continued with them even after I apologized and tried to compromise. I deeply regret defending him earlier in this thread. You were all right and I was wrong.
 
I can certainly sympathize with the issues faced by the Memory Beta contributors over the years... from what I've heard, it does not especially sound like a great place to try to contribute. However, it is also not really appropriate for people to keep bringing other sites' drama here. One wouldn't start a talk page on MB to complain about the staff here, right? We do not need to get involved in open conflict with another site. In addition, since a number of the players involved are also members here, that sets up potential violations of our flaming rules.

So, in an action that is sure to be wildly unpopular, I am going to lock this thread. Please do not take this as any kind of "defense" of anything or anyone at Memory Beta; it assuredly is not. This thread started appropriately enough, just asking about timing of information being added to MB, but quickly devolved into mostly just complaints about administration of the site. So I am going to close this down now, before it escalates further.

Unfortunately, toxic fandom is a sad reality that is difficult to escape from. We just ask to please not import drama from other sites into our community. We don't really need it. (And on occasion, we are quite capable of generating our own home-grown drama! ;) )

@thoron , welcome to the board. Please do not take this thread closure as anything against you personally. Our little corner of the internet has a lot to offer, and I hope you will continue to stay involved.
 
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