DC's "Naomi" coming to CW from Ava Duvernay

[The Realist]

Not surprised, and not sorry. Afraid the show lost me weeks ago. Appealing actors, but an uninvolving and unfocused narrative.

Only shows I still watch on The CW are Superman & Lois and the consistently smart, entertaining, and criminally underrated In the Dark.

ETA: And just saw that ItD got canceled as well. Oh well. Kind of surprising it got four seasons to begin with, but it was great while it lasted. (What's now confirmed to be its final season premieres next month.)

 

[Morpheus 02]

Ratings: started with a not impressive 0.8 million. Last episode 0.45 million. Definitely under cancellation threat.

Yeah....the math to me says they would be better off doing some of their "reality" shows (Like Penn & Teller or Whose Line is it anyway), where they would get the same ratings, but cost a whole lot less to produce

https://deadline.com/2022/05/ava-duvernay-naomi-cancelled-cw-kaci-walfall-1235013349/

Anybody surprised? Anyone? Bewler? Bewler?

(Also cancelled: Charmed, The 4400 and Roswell.)

No, unfortunately surprised.

Aren't the front-runners for buying it a bunch of right-wingers? Probably why they're getting rid of all the shows with non-white, non-hetrosexual leads.

For someone who hates "right wingers", you sure do embrace the "value" of judging people without any facts, just your own prejudice, and not looking at facts (see above).

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Definitely marketing was one issue, like Black Lightning. When i posted on Next Door about Black Lightning's cancellation, so many on the south side of Chicago never even knew it existed.

But part of the problem was the show itself. My 17 year old wasn't interested (even though she SHOULD have connected).

My 11 year old, who loves Flash and Stargirl, dropped out of watching Naomi...and that was before the mystery episode which referenced AGatha Christie (she wanted to see Death on the Nile...so she SHOULD have wanted to watch it).

I never read the comics...but how did Naomi "feel" compared to it? (Like the Flash show is different than comics or the 90'sshow, but totally had the right "feel"

The show felt a little cheap (such as the "final battle" with Brutus & his cronies), and waaaay too many characters, especially the Scooby Doo crew.

Lots of potential... but felt a bit like a mess

 

[kirk55555]

I just love seeing Bendis' vanity project character crashing and burning. She's a lame character that doesn't deserve her own comic, much less a TV show, and the TV show seems to have just failed completely. It feels like the comics will have to deal with her until Bendis is done with DC, but its nice to know that, sometimes, bad ideas do fail.

 

[ToddKent]

https://deadline.com/2022/05/ava-duvernay-naomi-cancelled-cw-kaci-walfall-1235013349/

Anybody surprised? Anyone? Bewler? Bewler?

I've got the whole season on my DVR but never got around to watching it. Can anyone give me a brief summary of what I missed? Spoilers are ok. Also, were there any Superman appearances? Or any noticeable Arrowverse connections/tie-ins?

 

[Morpheus 02]

I've got the whole season on my DVR but never got around to watching it. Can anyone give me a brief summary of what I missed? Spoilers are ok. Also, were there any Superman appearances? Or any noticeable Arrowverse connections/tie-ins?

Zero Superman appearances (other than a Super vague blur in the distance, and some mentions).

But the #1 Superman fan NEVER had a t shirt with even a diamond, let alone the S.

THAT should have been easy to do!

We have a character from Thanagar, but not sure which universe

 

[The Realist]

I just love seeing Bendis' vanity project character crashing and burning. She's a lame character that doesn't deserve her own comic, much less a TV show, and the TV show seems to have just failed completely. It feels like the comics will have to deal with her until Bendis is done with DC, but its nice to know that, sometimes, bad ideas do fail.

It's a fine comic.

 

[Morpheus 02]

It's a fine comic.

I am sincerely curious. What donyou like about the comic (it was way past my time).

What do you like best about it?

How well of an adaptation is the show compared to the comic?

 

[The Realist]

I am sincerely curious. What donyou like about the comic (it was way past my time).

What do you like best about it?

How well of an adaptation is the show compared to the comic?

I haven't read it since its original release, so I can't recite chapter and verse, but it does a nice job of capturing its young characters' voices, and it unspools an intriguing and well-paced mystery around Naomi's origins -- much better than the show, which felt meandering much of the time. Plus the artwork was lovely:

I mean, it's not my favorite comic ever, but it was hardly the travesty conjured by kirk55555.

 

[dupersuper]

https://deadline.com/2022/05/ava-duvernay-naomi-cancelled-cw-kaci-walfall-1235013349/

Anybody surprised? Anyone? Bewler? Bewler?

(Also cancelled: Charmed, The 4400 and Roswell.)

So many CW cancelations. What shows do they have left?

Only shows I still watch on The CW are Superman & Lois and the consistently smart, entertaining, and criminally underrated In the Dark.

ETA: And just saw that ItD got canceled as well. Oh well. Kind of surprising it got four seasons to begin with, but it was great while it lasted. (What's now confirmed to be its final season premieres next month.)

I liked the first season but never got back to it after that. I guess at least I don't have too much to catch up on now when I do...

I never read the comics...but how did Naomi "feel" compared to it? (Like the Flash show is different than comics or the 90'sshow, but totally had the right "feel"

All the parts are there, but this definitely feels a lot...smaller. Half the Justice League shows up in the first story arc in the comics, Superman is firmly set up as an actual mentor, Rann and Thanagar feature prominently...

I just love seeing Bendis' vanity project character crashing and burning. She's a lame character that doesn't deserve her own comic, much less a TV show, and the TV show seems to have just failed completely. It feels like the comics will have to deal with her until Bendis is done with DC, but its nice to know that, sometimes, bad ideas do fail.

Plus she's one of those vile teens you hate so, thus adding to the pleasure you take at the sadness of her fans.

I mean, it's not my favorite comic ever, but it was hardly the travesty conjured by kirk55555.

What is?

 

[Christopher]

So many CW cancelations. What shows do they have left?

It looks like next season's lineup will include:
The Flash
Superman & Lois
Stargirl
Riverdale
Nancy Drew
Tom Swift
Kung Fu
Walker
All American
All American: Homecoming

New pickups not yet scheduled:
Gotham Knights
Walker: Independence
The Winchesters

And apparently Two Sentence Horror Stories is still on the bubble. Meanwhile, the final seasons of Roswell, New Mexico and In the Dark will premiere in June, along with a few shows imported from overseas.

So the Arrowverse is down to only 2 shows, if that, since S&L almost never connects to the rest. Though there's still the Diggle-centric Justice U show under development.

 

[The Realist]

What is?

Guess you mean something more specific than, "Superman"? I don't know that I have a single favorite issue or story, though I'm a fan in general of the post-Crisis reboot and the subsequent "triangle era." I also liked Jeph Loeb's tenure, Rebirth, Bendis, and King's Up in the Sky.

As a a huge Lois fan, and a diehard Clois shipper, I don't know that I've ever had as emotional a reaction to a Superman story as Greg Rucka's Adventures of Superman 631-632. The waterworks start right about here:

Lots of other stuff, too much to list. I hear the current Phillip Kennedy Johnson Action run is amazing, but I'm trade-waiting on that. Also enjoy the Golden Age and its rough vigor. Not so much of a Silver Age guy, though I appreciate the many classic elements it introduced to the lore. And my dirty little secret as a fan is I don't think Grant Morrison is all that.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

And my dirty little secret as a fan is I don't think Grant Morrison is all that.

I gave my trade of All-Star away (not sold... gave) the day after purchasing and reading it. Just so that I wouldn't have it anymore.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Saw the last two episodes. So, comic book fan Lourdes is saved by a guy with wings and the first words out of her mouth aren't "Thanagar" or "Hawkman"?????

 

[thribs]

I heard this cancelled. Did she ever find Superman from the pilot?

 

[kirk55555]

Plus she's one of those vile teens you hate so, thus adding to the pleasure you take at the sadness of her fans.

To counter your ridiculous statement, here is a list of all Teen (and kid) Heroes I like (both characters that were formerly teens and ones that are currently teens), from DC and Marvel (there might be a few that slip my mind, I'm only human after all, but this is probably a mostly complete list) and listed as I think of them instead of by company:

Robin (Dick and Tim)
Batgirl (Cain and brown)
Kid Flash (Wally and Bart)
X-23
Honey Badger
Miles Morales
Amadeus Cho Hulk
Cyborg
Raven
Starfire
Miss Martian
Connor Kent
Wonder Girl (Donna and Cassie)
Speedy
Static
Firestar
Hope Summers (and all of the Generation Hope crew)
The New Mutants (Magik, Cypher, Sunspot, Karma, Moonstar, Canonball, Wolfsbane, Warlock, Magma)
Young X-Men (Anole, Blindfold, Rockslide, Dust, etc)
Surge
Hellion
Generation X (M, Chamber, Husk, maggot, Synch)
Armor
Pixie
Kitty Pride
Jubilee
Namorita
Nova (Rich Ryder)
Night Thrasher
Justice
Speedball
Spider-Girl (Anya Corazon)
Nomad (Rikki Barnes)
Runaways (Original group)
Gravity
Avengers academy (Reptil, Hazmat, Mettle,Striker, Veil, Finesse)
Young avengers (Patriot, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, Wiccan, Speed)
Star Girl
Jakeem Thunder
Argent
Risk
Supergirl
Legion of Superheroes (only the original version)
Beast Boy
Captain Marvel jr. (not counting original Captain Marvel since his form is an adult)
Mary Marvel
Tempest
Artemis/Tigress (Young Justice Cartoon version)
Kaldur (Young Justice Cartoon version)

But, yeah, disliking some popular teen heroes or vanity projects like Naomi definitely makes me someone who thinks that teen heroes are "vile" Barely anyone gives a cares about Naomi one way or the other, in the comics or on TV, but there are always a few people that latch on to any character, I guess.

Well, guess what? Most of the characters I really like on my list either got killed off, retconned into not even resembling the actual characters (DC is obviously the one that mostly did this) or barely appear even in background cameos, especially the Marvel teen heroes (I swear I sometimes wonder if I hallucinated Avengers Academy, seeing as how all the characters from it that didn't get randomly killed seem to have just disappeared entirely). Naomi still has a comic presence and got a season of a TV show, which is more then a lot of characters get.

I mean, it's not my favorite comic ever, but it was hardly the travesty conjured by kirk55555.

I didn't say it was a travesty, I said it was a lame vanity project from Bendis, which it is. When he eventually moves on from DC she'll almost certainly be put into comic book limbo, and she's not going to be a character that a bunch of people will be clamoring to get back.

 

[thribs]

There is a hero called the Honey Badger? They're nature's most dangerous animals according to Clarkson.
Does he go for your testicles?

 

[Nerys Myk]

There is a hero called the Honey Badger? They're nature's most dangerous animals according to Clarkson.
Does he go for your testicles?

She's a Wolverine clone like that other female Wolverine clone, Laura.

 

[The Realist]

To counter your ridiculous statement, here is a list of all Teen (and kid) Heroes I like (both characters that were formerly teens and ones that are currently teens), from DC and Marvel (there might be a few that slip my mind, I'm only human after all, but this is probably a mostly complete list) and listed as I think of them instead of by company:

Robin (Dick and Tim)
Batgirl (Cain and brown)
Kid Flash (Wally and Bart)
X-23
Honey Badger
Miles Morales
Amadeus Cho Hulk
Cyborg
Raven
Starfire
Miss Martian
Connor Kent
Wonder Girl (Donna and Cassie)
Speedy
Static
Firestar
Hope Summers (and all of the Generation Hope crew)
The New Mutants (Magik, Cypher, Sunspot, Karma, Moonstar, Canonball, Wolfsbane, Warlock, Magma)
Young X-Men (Anole, Blindfold, Rockslide, Dust, etc)
Surge
Hellion
Generation X (M, Chamber, Husk, maggot, Synch)
Armor
Pixie
Kitty Pride
Jubilee
Namorita
Nova (Rich Ryder)
Night Thrasher
Justice
Speedball
Spider-Girl (Anya Corazon)
Nomad (Rikki Barnes)
Runaways (Original group)
Gravity
Avengers academy (Reptil, Hazmat, Mettle,Striker, Veil, Finesse)
Young avengers (Patriot, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, Wiccan, Speed)
Star Girl
Jakeem Thunder
Argent
Risk
Supergirl
Legion of Superheroes (only the original version)
Beast Boy
Captain Marvel jr. (not counting original Captain Marvel since his form is an adult)
Mary Marvel
Tempest
Artemis/Tigress (Young Justice Cartoon version)
Kaldur (Young Justice Cartoon version)

But, yeah, disliking some popular teen heroes or vanity projects like Naomi definitely makes me someone who thinks that teen heroes are "vile" Barely anyone gives a cares about Naomi one way or the other, in the comics or on TV, but there are always a few people that latch on to any character, I guess.

Well, guess what? Most of the characters I really like on my list either got killed off, retconned into not even resembling the actual characters (DC is obviously the one that mostly did this) or barely appear even in background cameos, especially the Marvel teen heroes (I swear I sometimes wonder if I hallucinated Avengers Academy, seeing as how all the characters from it that didn't get randomly killed seem to have just disappeared entirely). Naomi still has a comic presence and got a season of a TV show, which is more then a lot of characters get.

I suspect dupersuper may have been referring to your reaction to the mere existence of Jonathan and Jordan Kent on Superman & Lois, whom you despised so violently, sight unseen, that you refused to watch the show.

 

[dupersuper]

Guess you mean something more specific than, "Superman"? I don't know that I have a single favorite issue or story, though I'm a fan in general of the post-Crisis reboot and the subsequent "triangle era." I also liked Jeph Loeb's tenure, Rebirth, Bendis, and King's Up in the Sky.

As a a huge Lois fan, and a diehard Clois shipper, I don't know that I've ever had as emotional a reaction to a Superman story as Greg Rucka's Adventures of Superman 631-632. The waterworks start right about here:

Lots of other stuff, too much to list. I hear the current Phillip Kennedy Johnson Action run is amazing, but I'm trade-waiting on that. Also enjoy the Golden Age and its rough vigor. Not so much of a Silver Age guy, though I appreciate the many classic elements it introduced to the lore. And my dirty little secret as a fan is I don't think Grant Morrison is all that.

The triangle era was awesome, but I was more just asking if anything is ever as big a travesty as that particular poster believes so many things to be.

 

[The Realist]

The triangle era was awesome, but I was more just asking if anything is ever as big a travesty as that particular poster believes so many things to be.

I actually realized that upon re-reading your comment, but by then I had already posted my little Superman comics dissertation, so I decided to leave it.