Spoilers Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness grade and discussion thread

I wonder who the father was in Earth 838. I doubt it was the robot

 

You mean the same universe that clearly has sentient robots? Yeah, that's completely impossible...

 

No sperm daddy.

Just another Westfield.

On 616 Wanda sacrifices her imaginary kids for the greater good.

On 818 Wanda keeps her imaginary kids, and probably killed enough people that the smarties in charge stopped asking her to sacrifice her kids.

Or...

616 Wanda constructed her dream kids from dreaming about her children multiversally, and used those other crossworld boys as templates for her own fake kids.

Same faces, same hair cuts and same age-ish.

It would be super wierd for her fake kids to be exactly the same as as all the other real kids made from sperm.

 

I will be surprised if they try to redeem Wanda at this point. I am thinking that whether she falls on the side of good or evil in future appearances will depend on the story. And she will never be fully trusted again.

 

I felt completely differently about the ending of Wandavision. To me it was pretty clear at the end that she was going down a dark well of magic at the end. I felt like she gave up the version of her children at the end because she realized it was unsustainable and that she was wreaking havoc on the lives of others. And then at the end she is using the Darkhold to find a more permanent way to reunite her with the boys. I was fully expecting her to be the villain in this movie until the trailers showed that misleading footage that made me think she wasn't going to be.

As for her slaughtering of heroes in this movie, she only kills those who stand in her way and it seems that she is not even aware of the depths she has fallen to when she makes the statement that she would never hurt anyone at the end of the movie.

 

Right. She went off at the end by herself and started an intense study of the most evil book of evil. There's no way that can end well. I remember AIDA.

 

Sentient are being able to procreate are two different things

 

Kind of on the fence with this one.

It was definitely entertaining, let's get that straight. But I wasn't expecting to have Wanda being the villian here so quickly. I thought they would work towards that a bit more. And the intensity of her brutality was.... it felt like it came out of nowhere. Having said that, it let to some of the most intense scenes we've seen sofar in the MCU, especially the way she took out the Illuminati and took over a Other Self without remorse and was willing to just strand her in that nexus place where the Book was located.

The gore some people were talking about.... I felt it really wasn't that gory at all, although for an MCU movie it felt a bit out of place. I couldn't really connect with America Chavez, but that wasn't any fault of the actress, the character was just not very engaging for me.

All in all, it was a decent movie. Certainly not the worst MCU movie (that's still Iron Man 2 for me, or Eternals) but also definitely not top 5 material either.

 

Did the movie ever answer why Wanda didn't simply conjure her kids again from scratch?

 

She wanted her kids to be real, not just a spell that could wind up needing to be undone like the last time. Plus the thing that seemingly caused her to start this all was hearing her kids calling for her in the WandaVision post credits scene. That was presumably the DarkHold, but it would've quickly led her to the fact that Dreams are windows into the multiverse which would immediately prove that she already 'has' real kids out there somewhere. She just has to get to them.

 

She has to build another Hex.

Too big and she's keeping people as slaves again.

Too small and she's going to run out of food and water.

Besides an important feature of the Hex in Westfield was that she was brain washing herself.

Besides now that the powers that be know what a Hex looks like, they are keeping an eye out for more.

 

A thought that ran through my mind while watching but I knew the film wasn't going to suggest: What Wanda should've done was find a universe where Billy and Tommy were orphaned and then she could adopt them instead having to kidnap them from a different Wanda.

But I guess the implication is that the Billy and Tommy she heard at the end WandaVision are the same versions as the ones she dreamt of, therefore she latched onto those particular versions instead of seeking all available options.

Either way, it's clear the Darkhold corrupted her thinking on the whole venture.

 

I think the implication is she had to get America before she could even decide which universe to go to. It wasn't Wanda who picked the 838 universe, really. She only went there because America was hiding there. (And America went there because it was a universe where the Book of Vishanti was reachable.)

 

Certainly but the presence of sentient robots make procreation with humans more likely.

 

I udnerstand that was the intent of the very end of Wandavision (the short mid credits scene), I just didn't think it was enough at all. The movie goes so quickly from "oh that evil book must have corrupted you" to her standing over charred corpses. I can't imagine what people who didn't watch Wandavision thought (well, I probably could: "what the fuck?")

 

I think one of the things that held this movie back is one of the things that also held back Iron Man 2 and Age of Ultron, but to a lesser extent. Namely, trying to be the middle movie of its own Trilogy (as Avengers was originally envisioned) and trying to set up story lines elsewhere in the universe at the same time.

 

It also jumps right over the Mordo storyline hinted at in the post-credits scene of Doctor Strange. I can't decide if I'm glad or not. ...I probably am.

 

Apparently, there is a deleted scene in which Wanda takes care of Mordo-616 for Strange.

 

It's not the first time the MCU has done that. I'm still bummed out that we didn't get to see the immediate follow-up of Aunt May discovering Peter's secret identity. Granted, that was probably always the plan considering how close Homecoming and Infinity War are from each other (as oppose to this film definitely changed directions from the original intention for the sequel), but it's the same feeling.

WHAaaaa...??! Where did you read that?!

 

They have the advantage of having the Darkhold as an easy out for her to be good again, but redeeming herself in the eyes of other heroes will not be easy. If she does show back up, I'm assuming that's what her arc will be, trying to earn everybody's trust back after what she's did in WandaVision and now The Multiverse of Madness.