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It helped that characterization is close to nil in TOS, and what's there is mostly down to the portrayals by the actors rather than the lines on the page.

I would counter that the Big 3.5 have decently defined characters; the others, for sure not so much, so less ability to . . . violate? Adluterate? who/what they have been for a season or two, say.

The change in Saru and the change in Stamets to nice guy were particular losses, imho.
 
Lorca should never have been from the Mirror Universe. Great character squandered on the need to dip into the Mirror Universe well one more time when there was no call for it.
Agreed. What they should have done is just have Georgiou be from the MU from the get-go. No need to go there, in the first season anyway.

Discovery has the most boring execution of that place.
 
Yeah, I just don't get the need to show the MU in this particular series. I'm as big a fan of fanwank and continuity as any Trekkie but sometimes you just need to leave certain story ideas in other shows and not take the bucket to the "done this a dozen times before" well.
 
That would be cool.

Hard disagree on the first statement though. I really liked DS9's blend of camp and seriousness.
DS9's was ok. I enjoyed the books better but Worf and Garak and Kira were poorly presented, in my opinion.

That said, I enjoy the MU so I would welcome that back too.
 
On the other hand, sometimes it's good for a show to keep a character who turns out to be unexpectedly popular. Joss Whedon had originally intended to kill off Spike by the end of Buffy S2, but he became one of the series's best characters. Slavishly adhering to a book can be a bad decision if you're not responding to the unique elements that the adaptation has developed as a result of factors like actors' performances, etc.

The original idea of Breaking Bad was to kill Jesse Pinkman in the first season. Would have been a totally different show (for the worse) if they went ahead. They kept him, as you say, because they loved Aaron Paul’s performance.
 
DS9's mirror universe was cringe. Latex clad lesbian dominatrix Kira (with uncomfortable gay = evil undertones straight out of 80's Dune) designed to get teenage boys watching. Then later it went full-on Farscape multiverse levels of lunacy with Vic Fontaine being human just because.

Disco's Mirror Universe was very watchable. "Terra Firma" was a really good 2-parter, not sure why some react to diversions in the main plot as if they're a cat dropped into the bathtub.
 
I didn't like Ds9's take of the mirror universe, at all.
Sure the premise of a universe where everyone is evil and does the most horrific thing yet somehow, somehow, they manage to always survive and wiggle into roughly the same positions on ships and have the same kids/or be born at all is already a bit much to believe (the alternate of having *similar* actors in roughly the same roles being too expensive, of course, though) but then they have the Terran Empire collapse due to Spock's Reforms.

That sort of killed what the Mirror Universe was. Spock's reforms should had failed and or stagnated the empire much like how the Federation getting off war footing due to the end of the Klingon Cold War led to a sort of effete, if capable, Federation. Not being wiped out writ large by a Klingon-Cardassian Alliance because somehow, Spock, the minority ruled by the bloodthirsty Humans, manages to survive long enough, gather enough strength to, and manage the Human Empire who look at his kind barely better than slave animals...? And then the Empire collapses and the K-Cs take over.

And then somehow the Terran Rebellion makes a Defiant Class Ship with just Terok-Nor-ish. Huh? And sure the Terrans and Vulcans are slaves, that's bad. But what the hell is the rebellion going to end up doing? Already ISS is a imperial prefex...Smiley or Sisko might be vying to somehow make a run for the purple....
 
The Terran Rebellion will probably bring back the Terran Empire, if it succeeds. And I expect Kinky Kira will find a way to ingratiate herself with it when that happens.
 
That sort of killed what the Mirror Universe was. Spock's reforms should had failed and or stagnated the empire much like how the Federation getting off war footing due to the end of the Klingon Cold War led to a sort of effete, if capable, Federation.
That's why I prefer one of the comic runs, with an alternate The Voyage Home. Spock rejects the idea of reform and instead aids in militarizing the Empire more. And, similarly to DS9, they use plans for the Excelsior to up their weapon capability.
 
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