They just want to know so they could compare them to the older shows. I'd like to know as well out of curiosity. Paramount knows what the numbers are and its what the company uses to make decisions - and it has decided to have at least 5 seasons of Discovery and four additional Star Trek shows overseen by the same executive producer. Last year Alex Kurtzman secured a new 9 figure deal that will last until 2026. So, the execs appear to be happy with the shows and the Trek leadership so one can only conclude that they are happy with the viewership of the newer Star Trek shows..
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They just want to know so they could compare them to the older shows. I'd like to know as well out of curiosity. Paramount knows what the numbers are and its what the company uses to make decisions - and it has decided to have at least 5 seasons of Discovery and four additional Star Trek shows overseen by the same executive producer. Last year Alex Kurtzman secured a new 9 figure deal that will last until 2026. So, the execs appear to be happy with the shows and the Trek leadership so one can only conclude that they are happy with the viewership of the newer Star Trek shows..
Naturally. That doesn't make it our business. I'm curious about a lot of things because I'm nosey. Doesn't make it any of my business. Also, you know what curiosity did
rotten tomatoes is hardly ever concrete credible not to mention it looks very easy for tv shows to get good tomatoes scores. also i dont hate on new trek, i liked the kelvin movies and the kelvin cast and want a star trek 4, which let's be honest still has the better chance of drawing more mainstrem intrest of trek than the paramount + show. however discovery is quite the poorly written show, do i expect SNW to be better? not really but the cast may be able to save it.
Also as for ratings, I think they are low, but paramount can still afford it. i know many people whp say they stopped watching in season 4, i know this because i was one of them. also for season 4, no episode even got above a 7/10 rating on imdb. that is pretty bad.
Picard's recpetion is not fairing better either.
7/10 is pretty bad?
I hope to be 7 out of 10 most days of my life.
Damn. Fan expectations are absurd.
I hope to be 7 out of 10 most days of my life.
Damn. Fan expectations are absurd.
The evidence doesn’t fit with what you believe so you deny the veracity of that evidence. Classic.
But IMDB says 7/10, so that’s right because it agrees with you?
Otherwise your ‘evidence’ amounts to “I don’t like it and neither do my friends”.
I don’t give a hoot what the numbers are, but all available evidence stacks up on the side of those numbers not being bad.
I stopped watching DSC around the beginning of Season 4. There’s too much good telly for my to waste time watching a show I’m not into. I don’t like DSC very much.
See, I said that and I don’t have to make something up to justify it… Surely it’s enough to just say something is not to an individuals taste?
It’s madness to claim it’s not doing well critically because clearly it is. Similarly it’s nuts to say it isn’t doing well in terms of viewership/general success because it keeps getting renewed. Shows that aren’t making money somehow don’t get renewed.
Anyway, what about those SNW episodes eh?
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You said it the show did not have critical acclaim. When we pointed out that a compilation of critic reviews are overwhelmingly positive you say critic reviews are not credible. LOL!!
I would hope so, yes.
True.
Thus far Pike and Ortegas are the characters I am most intrigued by.
I apologize for my part in derailing the topic. I would like to add that the episode descriptions sound good and I am excited to meet this new crew! The cast looks great from what little we've seen. Like others have said, serialized mystery seasons have struggled, so I'm excited to see how the writers have adapted episodic stories for the modern era.
Well, let's take a slightly harder look at "how numbers work," in the case of Rotten Tomatoes.
For example, here's a simple breakdown of the "Rated Fresh" approval score for a recent Trek series at RT:
You notice anything? An 82% approval rating of "Fresh" based on an average critics's rating of little better than 70/100.
If they'd graded that way when I was in High School (Barney Rubble was our Valedictorian), I wouldn't have needed such good SAT scores to make up for my "Did we have a good time last night, I was so stoned I don't remember" grades to get me into a state college.
Here's the thing: the 80+ percent doesn't indicate how much a critic liked a show. And there are no real standard criteria at RT for how to sort a given review into the Liked/Hated bins.
Go ahead, actually read the reviews referenced at RT for any movie or TV show that you like or hate. It won't take you long, if you pay attention, to find yourself saying "Why did RT say this guy hated the show? Most of what he says about it is good," or - alternatively - "I can't believe they think this reviewer liked that! Did they read the whole review?"
So, two takeaways:
- The RT system is of Fresh/Rotten is, obviously, a binary choice and nothing more; and
- Irritatingly enough, the method of sorting into two baskets is entirely subjective.
But RT is making bank by collating subjectivity using subjective and arbitrary criteria and then "disguising" that as somewhat objectively measured or at least balanced by presenting it as a couple of numbers that are not so much mathematically derived as they are produced using fourth grade arithmetic (again, me, academically challenged. Remedial long division is calling my name).
As to the example above? With an average of 7(point-oh-five) out of 10 rating, it's fairer to say that "the critics" gave that season a bare "C" for effort, not that they lauded it as remarkably good.
A few people used to read reviews, fewer still read real criticism. Now, they just scan RT scores or watch doofuses in homemade Star Trek costumes rant on YouTube.
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To be fair I just pulled the numbers from Wikipedia. It’s an informative post you made and thank you for that.
Look, like I said, I dropped out of DSC myself some way into the 4th Season. I’m not going to continue arguing about something when I don’t even have a horse in the race.
As I also said, isn’t this thread about SNW? It’s been derailed enough I think (something I’m also guilty of). I also apologise for my part in this kerfuffle.
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You quoted the right post, but the wrong user. How the heck did you manage that?
Meh, it's not that weird. It's an editing error that's pretty common hereabouts. Thanks for calling the misattribution to my attention; I corrected it.
I've had it happen on one of my devices that used predictive text and filled in another username when I went to edit the Quote tag.
It's weird but definitely doable.
Anyhoo-- how about that "Strange New Worlds" show? That's a thing, right? At least it said so on the thread title.
And in the case of the new Trek shows, not only are they renewed, but they make more, extend the main executive producer's contract, and give him a raise.
I don't remember. I want to say we did for Discovery and Prodigy. I don't remember for Picard or Lower Decks.
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