Robert Pattinson kept an e cig in one of his utility belt pockets
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Spoilers The Batman (2022) - Review and Discussion Thread
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How The Batman Should Have Ended
I always love Gollum tangent.
YES. (Leaving the image because I LOVE that line.)With Batman moving into the light and being seen by the people of Gotham. I think Reeves is doing what Nolan did. Making Batman a symbol the city can believe in. Since Reeves' Gotham is following the trend of that city being the WORST place to live. Reminds me of what Dennis O'Neil (famous Batman, Green Arrow and Green Lantern writer and editor from the 70s-90s) said about Gotham and Metropolis.
“Gotham is Manhattan below Fourteenth Street at 3 a.m., November 28 in a cold year. Metropolis is Manhattan between Fourteenth and One Hundred and Tenth Streets on the brightest, sunniest July day of the year.”
Superman inspires the world. Gotham, being the city it is, doesn't so much need Batman to inspire the people as to be someone people there can believe is there for them, no matter what.
I also wonder if Reeves plans to have his arc in the next film be about learning that Batman can (and should) be scary, but *Bruce* can be inspiring. I don't think he got there in this film because he hasn't let himself *be* Bruce in 20 years.
Just finished watching this on HBO Max, and Holy Cow.
By drawing inspiration from sources as diverse as Seven, Zodiac, the Tim Burton Batman films, the Dark Knight Trilogy, and even the Netflix adaptation of Daredevil, Matt Reeves and Peter Craig delivered a phenomenal story that serves as the perfect vehicle to represent DC Entertainment's renewed commitment to the kind of multidimensional and Multiversal storying that separates them from Marvel.
That story, while excellent on its own, might not have had the same impact without the right cast, and boy did they find the right cast. From Robert Pattinson on down, there wasn't a single actor in the film that didn't feel right for their roles; having said that, though, the movie belongs to Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz, the latter of whom just might have dethroned Anne Hathaway from her position as having portrayed the best version of Selina Kyle ever.
Making Bruce both the reincarnation of Kurt Kobain and a doppelganger for Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong was honestly a stroke of genius, and allowed us to see a Bruce/Alfred relationship unlike anything else we've ever seen. It also allowed the film to subvert expectations by making The Riddler Bruce/Batman's ultimate foil instead of The Joker while still giving us an intro to the latter and the promise of more to come, including a possible teamup between the two characters.
Because Bruce was channeling Kurt Kobain here, the use of Nirvana's Something in the Way was perfect, but the real standout musically, at least for me, was Michael Giacchino's symphonic orchestration.
I used the poll to give the movie an A+, and I stand by that score, because there was almost nothing about this movie that didn't work for me (and, yes, that includes the runtime and pace, which I had zero problems with).
One final thought: I'm really glad I watched this, and will be adding it to my DC Blu-ray collection once it's released.
By drawing inspiration from sources as diverse as Seven, Zodiac, the Tim Burton Batman films, the Dark Knight Trilogy, and even the Netflix adaptation of Daredevil, Matt Reeves and Peter Craig delivered a phenomenal story that serves as the perfect vehicle to represent DC Entertainment's renewed commitment to the kind of multidimensional and Multiversal storying that separates them from Marvel.
That story, while excellent on its own, might not have had the same impact without the right cast, and boy did they find the right cast. From Robert Pattinson on down, there wasn't a single actor in the film that didn't feel right for their roles; having said that, though, the movie belongs to Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz, the latter of whom just might have dethroned Anne Hathaway from her position as having portrayed the best version of Selina Kyle ever.
Making Bruce both the reincarnation of Kurt Kobain and a doppelganger for Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong was honestly a stroke of genius, and allowed us to see a Bruce/Alfred relationship unlike anything else we've ever seen. It also allowed the film to subvert expectations by making The Riddler Bruce/Batman's ultimate foil instead of The Joker while still giving us an intro to the latter and the promise of more to come, including a possible teamup between the two characters.
Because Bruce was channeling Kurt Kobain here, the use of Nirvana's Something in the Way was perfect, but the real standout musically, at least for me, was Michael Giacchino's symphonic orchestration.
I used the poll to give the movie an A+, and I stand by that score, because there was almost nothing about this movie that didn't work for me (and, yes, that includes the runtime and pace, which I had zero problems with).
One final thought: I'm really glad I watched this, and will be adding it to my DC Blu-ray collection once it's released.
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This is a very good video about the cinematography of The Batman and it also talks about the clean look of Marvel movies. I love the Marvel movies to death but cinematography is not one of the reasons whereas The Batman uses it to define the mood of the movie and it wouldn't have been nearly as good if it was made in the Marvel style.
If this Batman gets sequels ( and i have no reason to doubt it, Pattinson was eager to get the role and the movie was a big success at the box office and with the critics) i'm sure they will expand the character more and bring in more Bruce Wayne.
This Batman can be considered to be still a "rookie", i.e. he's not yet there where other Batman movies were, i.e. the near superhuman terror of Gotham's underworld.
He is still starting out more or less ( it's his second year as the Batman) and he made some pivotal character developments in this movie from being the symbol of vengeance to something more hopeful. However he still needs to be Bruce Wayne to fully round off his personality as being only Batman will consume him in the end.
I'd love to see this onscreen and follow the development over the next movies if they go this route.
A solid B+ for me. I really enjoyed this. I finally got the sense that the World's Greatest Detective was doing some detecting.
I was waiting for the moment when Selena would learn Batman is Bruce (kind of cliché, I know). I wonder if they will meet again in a sequel.
Kor
I was waiting for the moment when Selena would learn Batman is Bruce (kind of cliché, I know). I wonder if they will meet again in a sequel.
Kor
I feel like - as with his Golden Age comic counterpart - it'll take introducing Robin into his life to fully bring Bruce Wayne out as his own distinct character, as well as solidify his turn from 'Vengeance' towards a slightly lighter (and not at all campy) Caped Crusader. We already see him empathizing so hard with the mayor's son in this film, so him adopting Dick Grayson won't be that much of a stretch. There are still circuses in America, believe it or not, so the comic origin can be used. And yes, it does need to be a pre-teen Robin this time - the closer to the age Bruce was when his parents died, the better.
Poor Artax... at least Bastian brought him back at the end.
Surprised they didn’t mention how that gang member at the start was Tim Drake.
I've heard a couple people saying they need Robin in the next one... if they do, then I hope that he at least wears frickin' pants.
Short pants are still…pants.
Short pants are still…pants.
But jockey shorts are jockey shorts.
More serious, it's just impractical for a crime fighter, especially one who relies on close combat the way Bats and his sidekick do. One good throw to the asphalt, and your knees are skinned so bad, you'll be bandaged up for a couple of weeks.
Really? It's available in the states on May 24.
