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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

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Then there was TNG's infamous voice-activated Top Secret security codes (mercifully corrected by Picard).

I never understood why people had issues with these codes. They're a form of two-step verification. You need to have the right passphrase and the right voice print – the passphrase is useless without the right voice. Yes, Data was able to get around this – but then I imagine Data would have been able to get around any conceivable security precaution.
 
I don't think the problem is necessarily the writers. I think the problem is too many cooks in kitchen.

Writers are essentially subordinate. They have to write within a framework and appease their bosses. If you're getting notes from various producers, actors, the studio, and the market research team, you're going to have a hell of a time trying to work it all in.

I think that's why PIC and DSC have been so messy.

We need a couple cooks in the kitchen to make a simple delicious meal; a steak with a side of potatoes and garlic bread. Instead we've got a 100 cooks trying to work in 500 different ingredients. The end is result is a shit casserole called Picard Season Two.
 
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I still have no idea what any of these people think of the first 40 years of Star Trek. "I liked all of it!" No, no, no. Even if they like all of it, no one likes all of it equally. They have to have preferences and I have no idea what the Hell they are. Because they're too busy trashing New Trek. So I have no idea what Old Trek is any of their particular favorites, who their favorite characters are, nothing.
 
I don't think the problem is necessarily the writers. I think the problem is too many cooks in kitchen.

Writers are essentially subordinate. They have to write within a framework and appease their bosses. If you're getting notes from various producers, actors, the studio, and the market research team, you're going to have a hell of a time trying to work it all in.

I think that's why PIC and DSC have been so messy.

We need a couple cooks in the kitchen to make a simple delicious meal; a steak with a side of potatoes and garlic bread. Instead we've got a 100 cooks trying to work in 500 different ingredients. The end is result is a shit casserole called Picard Season Two.

Writers are pigs at a trough.

Script editors pour slop into the trough.

Executive editors carve up the pig.

Producers put all the pork in the truck

Executive Producers sell all the pork at market.

We eat the pork.
 
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Yeah, the weapon she aims at Picard in her office has the servo attached (as shown in that concept art) and she also uses it to scan Picard's brain in the episode before this one.
It's the little things that make me smile.
 

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I never understood why people had issues with these codes. They're a form of two-step verification. You need to have the right passphrase and the right voice print – the passphrase is useless without the right voice.

It's not something you want to announce to the entire crew.

Yes, Data was able to get around this – but then I imagine Data would have been able to get around any conceivable security precaution.

Data and the Borg Queen.
 
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It's not something you want to announce to the entire crew.

We might assume that every time a passphrase is used it then is automatically disabled and needs to be changed, since every time we hear an officer give their command code in the show it's different.

We might also assume that there are multiple passwords that a command officer has at any given time that each have a specific limitation, such as "this is the one I can give in front of other officers that requires additional automatic biometric scans and will only work if issued on the bridge". Such things are not unprecedented even today.

Data and the Borg Queen.

Again, I suspect the Borg Queen could get around most security measures regardless of how strong they were.
 
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I don't think the problem is necessarily the writers. I think the problem is too many cooks in kitchen.

Writers are essentially subordinate. They have to write within a framework and appease their bosses. If you're getting notes from various producers, actors, the studio, and the market research team, you're going to have a hell of a time trying to work it all in.

I think that's why PIC and DSC have been so messy.

We need a couple cooks in the kitchen to make a simple delicious meal; a steak with a side of potatoes and garlic bread. Instead we've got a 100 cooks trying to work in 500 different ingredients. The end is result is a shit casserole called Picard Season Two.
Some of the writers are the producers.
 
since every time we hear an officer give their command code in the show it's different.
Janeway used the same self destruct code in 3 different episodes. Which implies some codes don't change. Though you'd expect the Self-Destruct code to change.

Also, looking at the M-A page on Command Codes, one of O'Brien's had 'Molly' in it. Cute.
 
Janeway used the same self destruct code in 3 different episodes.

Specifically we were talking about TNG; there's other oddities concerning Janeway and self destruct, like she can apparently trigger it unilaterally whereas every Enterprise and the Defiant required authorisation of at least two people, which seems like a bit of an oversight. There might be any number of explanations concerning Voyager's official first officer being killed in the first episode which triggered an emergency procedural change that can't be reset without contacting Starfleet Command, or just because Janeway decided that was how she wanted it to be and there's nobody to overrule her.

On the other hand, we know that self destruct and the regular command codes aren't necessarily the same thing, and the original Enterprise apparently kept the same self destruct code for almost twenty years.
 
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Yeah, it is a little odd that even after the TMP Era refit the NCC-1701 retained the exact same self-destruct command code that it had sixteen years earlier with no words, letters or numbers changing. But maybe that was the confidence Starfleet Command had in Kirk and his ship that they granted them the luxury of the same command codes across the length of his years in the Captain's chair.
 
Specifically we were talking about TNG; there's other oddities concerning Janeway and self destruct, like she can apparently trigger it unilaterally whereas every Enterprise and the Defiant required authorisation of at least two people, which seems like a bit of an oversight. There might be any number of explanations concerning Voyager's official first officer being killed in the first episode which triggered an emergency procedural change that can't be reset without contacting Starfleet Command, or just because Janeway decided that was how she wanted it to be and there's nobody to overrule her.

On the other hand, we know that self destruct and the regular command codes aren't necessarily the same thing, and the original Enterprise apparently kept the same self destruct code for almost twenty years.
In Nemesis only Picard needed to confirm.
But like Voyager, Nemesis was a mess.
 
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