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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

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jackoverfull said:
i have no idea on why would he be bashir.
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I guess their line of argument is that he looks a lot like Alexander Siddig AND that he's wearing (a variation of) a Starfleet uniform (at first). I've seen people ranting "Bashir is a doctor and not a psychiatrist, these people HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT STAR TREK, WHO WRITES THIS CRAP". They will use literally ANYTHING to hate on the show. It's an obsession by now.
 
MrPicard said:
I guess their line of argument is that he looks a lot like Alexander Siddig AND that he's wearing (a variation of) a Starfleet uniform (at first). I've seen people ranting "Bashir is a doctor and not a psychiatrist, these people HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT STAR TREK, WHO WRITES THIS CRAP". They will use literally ANYTHING to hate on the show. It's an obsession by now.
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This is my opening to say that if you count PIC as TNG (I consider it part of the TNG Family), then TNG is ending where it began: with Old Trekkies blindly hating New Trek. Picard will leave Star Trek the same way he came into it.
 
Meh.

So few episodes and so little time left, and we spend a whole episode navel-gazing while literally nothing happens.

We've got a Borg Princess loose in Los Angeles...we get a broken window. Rios has lost his damn mind. Q is nowhere to be found. Again. Guinan's cat pose is back, at least. :lol:

I think this is the worst episode of the season. I hope they pick it up a bit. There's lots of potential good stuff here.

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Lord Garth said:
This is my opening to say that if you count PIC as TNG (I consider it part of the TNG Family), then TNG is ending where it began: with Old Trekkies blindly hating New Trek. Picard will leave Star Trek the same way he came into it.
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Yup, true. Even some of the anti-PIC arguments are the same all over again, the same as the ones they used against TNG. "Not my Star Trek", "it's ruining the franchise", "nothing makes sense" etc etc. And now that very TNG they once hated is the holy grail of Trek.

Once a decade or two have passed, people will use PIC as a shiny example of how Trek should be and how the Trek that is new then sucks and how "glorious it was when Sir Patrick returned to the franchise". I mean this is happening to ENT right now - all the haters of the show suddenly count it as part of their beloved canon even though back in the day they loathed every second of it and were furious at the mere idea of it being part of Trek canon.
 
MrPicard said:
Yup, true. Even some of the anti-PIC arguments are the same all over again, the same as the ones they used against TNG. "Not my Star Trek", "it's ruining the franchise", "nothing makes sense" etc etc. And now that very TNG they once hated is the holy grail of Trek.
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Well, this is one way to avoid and ignore all of the criticisms of the show that don't line neatly up with that strawman.

I mean, it works so well down in the STD forum, right? :cool:
 
Having not seen Voyager in a while nor remembering all the guest parts when I saw Jay Karnes as an FBI agent I thought "Hey, Dutch made good.".

I'll admit to being one thinking it was Bashir for a minute. What with blonde Agnes running around in a red dress and the Queen in her head it's a bit of a jumbled BSG redux already so why not bring in Baltar?

I had this on as wallpaper basically not giving it my full attention so I'll hold off critiquing it.
 
MrPicard said:
Yup, true. Even some of the anti-PIC arguments are the same all over again, the same as the ones they used against TNG. "Not my Star Trek", "it's ruining the franchise", "nothing makes sense" etc etc. And now that very TNG they once hated is the holy grail of Trek.

Once a decade or two have passed, people will use PIC as a shiny example of how Trek should be and how the Trek that is new then sucks and how "glorious it was when Sir Patrick returned to the franchise". I mean this is happening to ENT right now - all the haters of the show suddenly count it as part of their beloved canon even though back in the day they loathed every second of it and were furious at the mere idea of it being part of Trek canon.
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I get that you're talking about those haters, not the people with valid reasons to be disappointed with Picard. But I just watched TOS, TNG, Voyager and Enterprise seasons 1-3 simultaneously, for the very first time in some cases. I watched all the season 4s alongside season 4 of Discovery. I know what they're like when directly compared, without any 'franchise fatigue' or concern about how they'll destroy canon, and I can tell you that people had plenty of valid reasons to dislike TNG and Enterprise when they first aired. Those first seasons were terrible then and they're still terrible now, to me anyway. The series improved a lot afterwards, and I think that's what really won people over. Season 3-6 TNG is the 'holy grail of Trek', season 3 of Enterprise is 'serialisation done right'. If Picard is remembered fondly years from now, it'll be because it recovered from this slump.

Personally I like Picard season 2, I think I like it more than most in fact. But I can't defend the storytelling because they've really dropped the ball on it after episode 3, and everyone can see it. We've all been left hoping that there's some kind of payoff at the end that explains what the point of it all was, because it keeps kicking that can down the road while the characters continually deal with complications.
 
The Old Mixer said:
BTW, to all the people who seem to be new to the uncanny resemblance between James Callis and Alexander Siddig, you might want to check out the 2004 reboot of Battlestar Galactica.
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It was around even before then. Callis was on British TV regularly in the 90s before making it big with Battlestar Galactica – I seem to recall a Radio Times cover or two at one point – and I remember people getting them confused even then.

EDIT: Found one – his hair used to be much longer!

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So if the FBI agent doesn't turn out to be Ducane in disguise, does this mean he's an ancestor? Just like Trek has done with all the Soongs, Worf, Janeway, and Kirk's brother?
 
Ray Hardgrit said:
I can tell you that people had plenty of valid reasons to dislike TNG and Enterprise when they first aired. Those first seasons were terrible then and they're still terrible now, to me anyway.
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The vision behind early TNG was bold, daring and fantastic, most of the realisation was unfortunately quite meh. The first two seasons of enterprise were just boring boring boring.
Ray Hardgrit said:
Personally I like Picard season 2, I think I like it more than most in fact. But I can't defend the storytelling because they've really dropped the ball on it after episode 3, and everyone can see it.
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I guess I’m not everyone. I didn’t like much this episode, but in general I’m really enjoying this season.
 
Kevman7987 said:
So if the FBI agent doesn't turn out to be Ducane in disguise, does this mean he's an ancestor? Just like Trek has done with all the Soongs, Worf, Janeway, and Kirk's brother?
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There's so much time between the 21st and 29th centuries that they might all be Ducane's ancestor.
 
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