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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

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Ok, not going to go through 30+ pages of comments, so please help me out here:

The cop / FBI agent who arrests Picard is certainly Ducane. He presents himself as a "sci fi" guy, is completely unfazed by the video of Picard beaming in, and lastly says he is "law enforcement".

Also, loved the STIV homage: "Are you from outer space?". "No, I'm from Chile. I only work in space."
 
WarpFactorZ said:
Ok, not going to go through 30+ pages of comments, so please help me out here:

The cop / FBI agent who arrests Picard is certainly Ducane. He presents himself as a "sci fi" guy, is completely unfazed by the video of Picard beaming in, and lastly says he is "law enforcement".

Also, loved the STIV homage: "Are you from outer space?". "No, I'm from Chile. I only work in space."
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Jay Karnes, the actor who once upon a time played Ducane is listed here as Agent Wells, but the USS Relativity is a Wells Class Time Ship, so it's a bullshit pseudonym from an asshole who thinks that he is clever when he is not. Everyone from the future always thinks that they are smarter than people from the past because people from the future are always assholes about being better than people from the past. Smug gits in need of a stabbing.

In an early episode of Continuum (Girl timecop trapped in modern day Canada hunting future criminals) the hero had to track down a lead called "Wells" and I'm laughing that this bullshit is blunt and ridiculous... But... The Actual bad guy from that episode, later when he's monologuing, says something like "It took me forever to track down a patsy in this era called Wells, because I'm just fricking hilarious."
 
DarKush said:
Raffi being the one who cares the most about the Romulan kid also is strange. He was like Picard's surrogate son, but Picard doesn't seem that torn up about his death, if anything he should be the one grieving the hardest. That said, he did drop him like a hot potato for 14 years.
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It makes sense for Raffi because her actual son rejected her attempts at reconciliation, so over the past year and however long it's been Elnor has become her surrogate son and mentee at the Academy. She's also recovering from her addiction, and has sort of poured all her focus and energy into looking after Elnor as a coping mechanism, so losing him, even if only (hopefully) temporarily, has started to trigger the old urges and temptations again, all while having to deal with these incredibly stressful events.

Picard on the other hand, I don't think it's a lack of caring, because clearly he does, it's just that he's so mission oriented and singleminded that he can't grieve over Elnor yet because he's Jean-Luc Fucking Picard and he's going to restore the proper timeline and bring Elnor back to life. He doesn't accept that Elnor's gone because he doesn't accept the possibility of them failing their mission. Even though he's a more frail man than before, he's still got the same Picard (benevolent) arrogance and determination.
 
Well, it was certainly different, at least for the first half of the show. I have seen similar "adventures in somebody's mind" before and this was a very common type of doing it. It was nice to see what happened in Picard's past, but the answers were not fully given only hinted at. On the other hand, Picard woke up from the coma quicker than I thought, so there's that.

After that, the show got going on, and was more interesting to watch, with Rios being completely bewitched by Teresa. He has some explaining to do, altough I think that Teresa and her kid will come with Rios or he will stay behind, perhaps looking out for possible Borg-menace left behind by Agnes. Heck, Rios could as well be a founder of the precursor of Section 31.

So, I liked it. Was moving a bit slow, but the cliffhanger once again left me waiting for next weeks episode, which based on the teaser seems to be doing a bit more with the story again. I give this another 8/10.
 
eschaton said:
I really don't understand people who are saying this episode slammed on the brakes when it was a direct answer to the questions regarding Picard's character from the first episode.
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Because it was exceedingly uninteresting. Oh, and that other "big" revelation. You know. Where we thought Talinn was Romulan. Well, she turned out to be . . . Romulan. Wow.

Meanwhile, the other plots are just on the backburner. Borg Queen walking around smashing windows. Wow. Rios showing off his ship. Wow. Raffi and Seven not really doing much other than talking about how they're really the "show." Not even sure what that was supposed to mean.

We had the extraneous go nowhere plot point that the El Aurian were in a cold war with the Q Continuum. Not sure how that's possible but okay. And they sealed the moment of the truce in a bottle. And guess what, Guinan just happened to have that very bottle there in the bar with her! Wow. Extra amazing because she had closed the bar down. But the bottle didn't work. Darn. All that ridiculousness for nothing. Wow.

I supposed the big revelation over Picard's Daddy issue, which was just a mistake as it turns out, might amount to something because . . . "there's more to the story." But I'll believe that when I see it.
 
Mr Awe said:
Because it was exceedingly uninteresting. Oh, and that other "big" revelation. You know. Where we thought Talinn was Romulan. Well, she turned out to be . . . Romulan. Wow.

Meanwhile, the other plots are just on the backburner. Borg Queen walking around smashing windows. Wow. Rios showing off his ship. Wow. Raffi and Seven not really doing much other than talking about how they're really the "show." Not even sure what that was supposed to mean.

We had the extraneous go nowhere plot point that the El Aurian were in a cold war with the Q Continuum. Not sure how that's possible but okay. And they sealed the moment of the truce in a bottle. And guess what, Guinan just happened to have that very bottle there in the bar with her! Wow. Extra amazing because she had closed the bar down. But the bottle didn't work. Darn. All that ridiculousness for nothing. Wow.

I supposed the big revelation over Picard's Daddy issue, which was just a mistake as it turns out, might amount to something because . . . "there's more to the story." But I'll believe that when I see it.
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Yeah, the Tallin reveal wasn't a surprise.
The Raffi/Seven plot was about the Queen growing more powerful and becoming a larger threat. Not about Seven and Raffi bantering or Queen Agnes breaking a window. The "show" is their relationship as opposed to Rios/Jurati.
Rios' plot was about him getting closer with Teresa and being honest about who he is.
The Q vs El-Aurian cold war is just a way to set up Q call. That the Q call failed builds on the idea that Q has lost his power, which was set up earlier.
 
I was going to vote 6, not 7, I was tired yesterday. It was the worst episode this season for me, but still decent.

The best part of the season, Jurati and the Queen had a limited role this week. The rest of the episode just felt like filler.
 
Nerys Myk said:
Yeah, the Tallin reveal wasn't a surprise.
The Raffi/Seven plot was about the Queen growing more powerful and becoming a larger threat. Not about Seven and Raffi bantering or Queen Agnes breaking a window. The "show" is their relationship as opposed to Rios/Jurati.
Rios' plot was about him getting closer with Teresa and being honest about who he is.
The Q vs El-Aurian cold war is just a way to set up Q call. That the Q call failed builds on the idea that Q has lost his power, which was set up earlier.
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Right, so Romulan already known or at least strongly suspected. Check. Q not doing well was already known. Check. We knew the Borg Queen was growing, so already known. Check.

I don't mind Seven and Raffi. At times they were annoying at times nice. But they really weren't doing anything of import in this episode other than providing exposition about the Queen growing in strength, which we already knew.

So, I was answering the other poster's question about why some people think this episode put the brakes on plot points. Those are my reasons. YMMV. The revelations were uninteresting and the rest was just filling screen time with stuff we already knew. Plus one ridiculous side plot that again just told us what we knew already.

I guess I agree with everything you write, but that's exactly why I didn't care for the episode.

I really do want to like the series. I liked the first half much more. But it sure feels like the wheels fell off.
 
When does Rios' Chilean temperament get the better of him and he...

finally kisses her....:luvlove: Much to Raffi's chagrin.
 
I think that the writers have no idea where this story is going, they needed a holodeck for a bit of creative respite but ended up having to resort to Picard’s own mind instead as a holodeck wasn’t available. Or maybe they do know where the story is going and have a quick fix/big red button up their collective sleeves and are bored trying to fill in the gaps until they can press their proverbial plot enhancement buttons? At least they didn’t make a flashback multi clip episode of all the previous season one and two episodes aka Shades of Grey… though it probably would have worked if they had a good writer and filmed it through Instagram style filters with viewer comments to compliment each scene (fourth wall breaking is the new cool)… :ouch:

Young Guinan is back though, therefore this episode is 10/10.

Now we just need a Seven of Nine and young Guinan spin-off. :bolian:
 
gweeps said:
No it's not encouraging. Unless these new viewers gravitate to the better written Star Trek and the writers see that as evidence of not just needing to throw us older fans a bone now and then, we're gonna be inundated with even more surface storytelling.
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That only works on the assumption that older Trek is consistently better written, which I wouldn't agree with. I'm an "older fan" and would gladly take the average Picard episode over the average TNG episode (let alone Voyager and Enterprise).

I'd be happy if newer viewers enter Trek through the current series. Goodness knows the franchise could use some new fans to push aside those who do nothing but flood social media with hate.
 
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