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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

This is actually a good thing I think. It means they were coming up with the plot for season 3 while season 2 was being written / filmed. Probably why they were ready to go with season 3 filming the day after season 2 finished
It's a good thing if you prioritize season 3 over the continuity and quality season 2, and the legacy characters over the newer ones (which, tbf, I know a lot of fans do).

The season 3 announcements have dampened my enjoyment of season 3. I’m a fanw*nk s!ut. I was skeptical about spending most of the season in 2024.
I must say, together with the lack of development for the current characters and the drop in writing, I feel simlar.

And I'm a huge fan of TVH, but I'm still getting tired of the 2024 setting.

I'm starting to wonder if they go all the way, make the reset timeline different from the one we know, certain events never happened, most of the characters never met Picard...

Knowing Raffi and Seven will be in s3, I doubt it, but still.
 
Matalas replied with “and you know this HOW” on Twitter when someone was like “I guess they fixed the timeline”. It’s possible he was only doing an eye-rolling joke (I couldn’t blame him, some fans can be utterly obnoxious) but if not… if they go down the road of “not everything was changed back into the timeline we know” they would kinda erase parts or all of their own first two seasons. I’m not sure if they’re prepared to do that. I mean why set things up this way if you’re going to hit a reset button and make TNG 2.0 after all? Changing the known timeline would take away their own basis for a “proper TNG crew send off”, as they call it - they’d have to explain all the changes that happened instead of just having the rest of the TNG characters show up and go on one last adventure together. It’s not impossible that they’ll do this, granted, but it would needlessly complicate things IMO. Not to mention that the new PIC characters DO have a lot of fans who wouldn’t take kindly to this sort of character erasure. I mean we’ve had one disrespectful series finale already where TNG characters grabbed the spotlight that should have belonged to the series regular characters (“These Are The Voyages”, anyone), I’d like to think they’ve learned from that mistake. Okay… I’d like to HOPE. ;)
 
The rest of Picard season 2 is "brilliantly" captained by Akiva Goldsman. :rofl:

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1) That one of the co-showrunners is calling the second half of a season "the rest" is telling.

2) The brilliance of Akiva Goldsman (he is also the showrunner of Strange New Worlds):
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3) The timing of this announcement is strange.
In the middle of season two, they show a teaser for season 3?
It is very disrespectful to the current cast, a slap in the face, to announce this now. It reeks of desperation from Paramount.
You have an axe to grind, we get it. Everybody gets it.
 
Hard to blame him completely for some of this movies without knowing the history because some studios, especially Warner brothers, are known to interfere quite a bit - just look at the problems with their recent dc universe. According to Wikipedia the director was also involved in the story development and there is a source there that says Akiva expressed concerns about the script.

“Akiva was very leery about Batman & Robin. We had a couple of very serious discussions about it, and he was right about it in the long run,” says Schumacher.”(the director)

His actual few Trek writing credits have actually not been that bad in my opinion. I have found episodes from some of the other writers to be consistently worse to me.
 
The season 3 announcements have dampened my enjoyment of season 3. I’m a fanw*nk s!ut. I was skeptical about spending most of the season in 2024.

Interestingly Akiva is also looking after SNW. At least we have a flavour of Terrys vision which will come into full force next season

I feel like I read that season 2 was pitched by terry and was his idea. So we’re already seeing his vision.
 
Hopefully Goldsman was way too busy assistant-showrunning to step into the director's chair. He's not the worst, but he's not great either.
 
Hopefully Goldsman was way too busy assistant-showrunning to step into the director's chair. He's not the worst, but he's not great either.
I recently saw Winter's Tale. It was... okay. He does have a few good writing credits though.
 
Is Jurati meant to be on the spectrum/neurodiverse? I found season 1 pretty much unwatchable but still did, just had it in the background, so I can't guarantee that i know how the character was portrayed there. But she definitely has a socially awkward genius air about her.
 
I agree the video review IS a dumpster fire.

Yeah, we got Star Trek a growing success on the smallscreen again with solid reviews and viewing figures, but YouTube is lacking in quality reviewers and it's skewed towards the "GameGate" side of the idiotic Culture Wars of the Current Year (ugh).

They all come across as angry, overly opinionated conmen.
 
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I used to think I liked Batman Forever, more or less, but upon rewatching it a few years ago I realized it really is just as bad as Batman and Robin, only less glitzy looking. Plus, I've entirely outgrown the ability to get any enjoyment anymore out of Jim Carrey's classic OTT wacky shtick. The only Carrey movies I care about anymore are things like Truman Show or Eternal Sunshine.
 
The rest of Picard season 2 is "brilliantly" captained by Akiva Goldsman. :rofl:

FP-XfEDWQAA8YSc


1) That one of the co-showrunners is calling the second half of a season "the rest" is telling.

2) The brilliance of Akiva Goldsman (he is also the showrunner of Strange New Worlds):
FP-YaYgXsAMVLD5


3) The timing of this announcement is strange.
In the middle of season two, they show a teaser for season 3?
It is very disrespectful to the current cast, a slap in the face, to announce this now. It reeks of desperation from Paramount.
I guess you no longer like/think much of Patrick Stewart now:

https://deadline.com/2022/04/star-trek-picard-patrick-stewart-interview-contenders-tv-1234999334/
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Snippet from the article linked above:
...Stewart also discussed taking on a more hands-on role behind the scenes than he’d previously held on his prior Star Trek: The Next Generation series and films. “I was involved up to here,” he said. “I had, for the first time, an executive co-producer title attached to my name, and I was consulted. People were very, very generous and we talked about everything.”

Ultimately, the actor helped chart an unexpected course for the role that would inform three seasons of the Paramount+ streaming series that would challenge both the character and himself. “Picard had to face a reality about his childhood and his home life and his parents that he had never ever faced before. Why? Because he was afraid, and an afraid Jean-Luc is a pretty rare creature, but to have that undercurrent of unexpected emotion running through Season 2, and coming to a climax of course in Season 3, was very satisfying.”

Stewart also revealed that shooting Season 3 immediately following Season 2, he’d already shared scenes with his longtime TNG cast mates, who were recently revealed to be joining him in the forthcoming final season.

“I’m with Gates [McFadden] and Marina [Sirtis] and Jonathan [Frakes] and Brent [Spiner] and LeVar [Burton] and Michael [Dorn], and those days have been wonderful,” he reported. “I think it’s hard for the directors because we fool about so much! And it was always like that – I mean, you’ve probably heard that famous thing that I said it during our first season when somebody said, ‘Patrick, we’ve got to have some fun,’ because I was complaining about the disruptions and the noise, and I said ‘We are not here to have fun!’”...

So yeah, it seems Sir Patrick took a very hands on approach WRT the p[lot and the storylines for the entire Picard series to date.

As for the early announcement of the TNG cast joining Season 3 - it's not 'desperation'; it's more that after 30 years of TRYING to 'keep secrets' given the state of the public Internet - then know its better to just announce and control the initial release of information for scenes that have been filmed; but are not going to be seen by the audience for a year or more.

They'd rather announce it openly than have "fans" like yourself be the first to announce and spin things negatively (which you're already attempting to do with your post I've quoted above.

It's the same reason they announced the recasting of "Captain James T. Kirk" for "Strange New Worlds" Season 2 about 2 months before the first episode of this new series has streamed. The SNW S2 episodes with the character are being filmed now; but again won't be seen by the public for another year or more
- so yeah, Paramount is just getting ahead of all the Internet Trolls they know will pop up because of these various announcements and said Trolls will try and spin every aspect as negatively as they can.
 
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I liked Batman Forever. :shrug:

Eh, Batman Forever is not very good and got the similar overcrammed feeling as S1 of Picard, but it's amusingly very 1990s (with a strong licenced soundtrack), the Riddler's plot is suprisingly relevant as cornball in its presentation as it was, Tommy Lee Jones' performance is so bad it's good (like he's in his own movie), and so it feels more functional than Batman & Robin.
 
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