This also means that she can’t be part of my (and many other people’s) now defunct Seven of Nine spin off show idea? If she isn’t allowed on earth anymore to help save it then she is banned from any such potential spin-off canonically??
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x05 - "Fly Me to the Moon"
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I'm confused, I don't remember Guinan being banned from Earth?
The Watcher said that she wasn’t welcome and said that she should go away…. I’m assuming she followed the order as she is now AWOL?
So that means a ban from Earth?
Nice! Next time I tell people they are not welcome and should go away I will expect them to book the next ship off planet. I like this plan.
Well it must be something to do with the Watchers equivalent of the Federations prime directive… she should not have been there interfering with a primitive pre warp culture?
I don't think that meant a ban from Earth, just that they had no use for her.
Then, technically, neither should they.
Maybe that's why Q wanted to help Picard? He obviously knows what's really going on. Well, mostly.
What if the Gary Mitchell Appreciation Society really aren't Watchers? What if they are the actual enemy? They could easily tie this in as a chapter of the Temporal Cold War.
It does? Oh, OK then. Sounds good.
This reminds me of why cops are supposed to read Miranda warnings.
Tallinn didn’t even sort of ban anyone or reference any prime directive like imperative, aside from her rule about Renée not seeing her. And she isn’t expecting Picard and crew (who are interfering time travelers from a warp capable future) to comply with her rule of not being seen by Renée, so it seems odd to assume she’s applying any of her own rules to Guinan.
Tallinn didn’t even sort of ban anyone or reference any prime directive like imperative, aside from her rule about Renée not seeing her. And she isn’t expecting Picard and crew (who are interfering time travelers from a warp capable future) to comply with her rule of not being seen by Renée, so it seems odd to assume she’s applying any of her own rules to Guinan.
Could be. Something is definitely wrong with Q if his powers are limited. So far though, only another Q can defrock him.
Unless the Watchers are needed to stop all of the people that are intent on visiting earth to cause mayhem? Maybe they are part of the Federation/Borg cooperative, a temporal investigation team that work beyond time and space using advanced Borg technologies to not put right what once went wrong, but to stop things going wrong in the first place on Earth and beyond. Anyway, Young Guinan probably wasn’t actually causing mayhem whilst on Earth, she probably just wanted to have a good time and didn’t care about the implications? But what would have happened if she would have left technology on Earth that had not been invented yet? It could have been backwards engineered like almost happened when Quark, Nog and Rom crashed in Roswell? Also, think of Voyager’s Future’s End when alien/future technology was also backwards engineered with dangerous implications too?
This kind of scenario needs protecting against!
Since Guinan isn't from the future, that shouldn't be problematic, it is a natural event. And since Earth of this time period isn't part of any Federation or other extra-terrestrial organizations, what gives a future Federation the right to meddle in their affairs?
The fact that there is an implied history between Guinan and the Watcher indicates that she has not taken an issue with Guinan’s continued presence on Earth.
Go away as in leave this immediate vicinity rather than stay with Picard for his interview with the Watcher. It wasn't a command to leave the planet, nor would the Watcher have the authority to give such a command.
So going by your logic, are you saying that the Federation itself should desolve the Prime Directive? Should they contact alien worlds who are not yet ready for First Contact? Maybe an early first contact would prevent ‘world end scenarios’ such as species self destructions through catastrophic wars or plagues/natural disasters. So there could be a plus side to early first contacts which violate the prime directive. Maybe the universe needs some kind of ‘Caretaking’ force to help keep things in balance?
This theory is not without precedent, we have seen the temporal Prime directive in Trials and Tribbleations, Relativity etc. but maybe this wasn’t enough? Maybe the Watchers are the equivalent of the universes guardian angels? Protecting equilibrium and harmony on planets such as Earth where these is so much potential for corruption to timelines and cultural development?
What is to stop an advanced species subjugating a less developed one? Time travel is irrelevant, interference is interference whatever form it takes.
I'm not a fan of the TNG interpretation of the Prime Directive, never have been. And, anyone from the Federation shouldn't be setting foot on foreign soil, which includes the star system, of a race that hasn't given them permission, regardless of the social/technological status of that race. The Federation is basically exploiting lesser cultures for information but offering nothing in return.
Who gave them this power and why should any human bow to it?
Are they protecting Earth, or are the protecting their slice of the galaxy from barbaric and unpredictable humans?