Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x05 - "Fly Me to the Moon"

[Kaelef]

i beg to differ. So many problems with it. Where do I even start?

Funny how the Borg Queen could have assimilated Jurati at any point before now, by grabbing her with her tentacles, and fingering her with her tubules.
Also, why did Picard's voice print not work, when a few episodes earlier, he used voice commands to activate the ships cloaking device?
And how useless is this cloaking device, that a random french gendarm can easily see it. At night. Hidden among trees. And he can just walk right in there. No closed doors. No acces code
required. Or voice print that, as established by the Borg Queen minutes
earlier, only works with Rios' voice.
Raffi should also lose her commission. She is an emotional wreck.
And why does Soong use such massive needles for his syringe?
How did he know that the serum would work instantly, seconds after injections, that he immediately deactivates his sun shield, that apparently exists for some reason.
Why did the supervisor pull a gun on picard, when she already knew he was unarmed, and already in her lair?
And how convenient for the show that this NASA gala has this ludicrous amount of security, when in reality it wouldn't have, just so the show can have another stupid and unnecessary heist scene.
Also, Rios getting captured by the cops, a complete waste of time, that does nothing for the story. Just like the Casino diversion in The Last Jedi.

I gave a pass to the cloak (it may only be designed to be effective at distances in space - not a few yards from the ship; or it may have been damaged; or the Borg could've been messing with it) and the ship not being sealed (Borg again), although those things did bug me.

One more: why did the Borg switch to pleading for help in English once the French cop showed up?

How did Jurati manage to shoot the Borg with an 80-year-old shotgun without killing the cop she was holding?

Agreed on all the other issues. That comically large needle Soong used was ridiculous and would've caused permanent damage to her arm. The kind of thing they would've used back in the days of standard definition TV (or maybe on a live theater stage) so that the audience could clearly see it.

Raffi is just ridiculously over emotional and has no business being on that team.

 

[truthchampion]

What do you beg to differ? You quoted a post of mine that was about how excited ‪‪I was for the episode before it premiered, and none of your cricticisms of the episode have anything to do with a thing ‪‪I wrote.

‪‪I was most excited for this episode of any all season. What are you arguing against from what you were quoting, and so appeared to be responding to?

i was pointing out the poor writing. That is all.

 

[Kaelef]

It'd be a lot easier to ignore all these nit-picky issues if the writing team were doing an amazing job in other areas, but they're not. The overall production, special effects, sets, and acting are all amongst the best that Star Trek has ever had, but the writing is some of the weakest. As a big, lifetime fan I find this a bit heartbreaking. Fingers crossed that Strange New Worlds doesn't follow in the same pattern, but I'm trying not to get my hopes too high.

 

[valkyrie013]

Workforce shortages...

*I say as a supervisor currently still having to carry a regular clinician's job,

Oh yeah. Gary 7 did the job and stayed around for some time.
Not saying a supervisor couldnt do the job.. Had a former boss that took regular shifts but still had to do the supervisor stuff (usually paperwork) .. Laris2 just seems to be on the 1 assignment.. Who is she supervising? It's not a "name" they already established there are Agents. She should be supervising other agents. And if there are other agents under her, where are they? Why didn't she call on them or the home office for help instead of the 5 stoodges? ?

 

[jackoverfull]

Rios, Raffi, and Seven pretty clearly just had their parts written over the last three episodes to give them something to do before the gang got back together. There was no intriguing story or notable character arc. I didn't mind Rios' story really, but it didn't add anything. And Raffi/Seven was just awful.

you must have hated Chekhov’s story in voyage home.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh yeah. Gary 7 did the job and stayed around for some time.
Not saying a supervisor couldnt do the job.. Had a former boss that took regular shifts but still had to do the supervisor stuff (usually paperwork) .. Laris2 just seems to be on the 1 assignment.. Who is she supervising? It's not a "name" they already established there are Agents. She should be supervising other agents. And if there are other agents under her, where are they? Why didn't she call on them or the home office for help instead of the 5 stoodges? ?

All this and more will be revealed in the exciting tie in novel!

 

[jackoverfull]

Oh yeah. Gary 7 did the job and stayed around for some time.
Not saying a supervisor couldnt do the job.. Had a former boss that took regular shifts but still had to do the supervisor stuff (usually paperwork) .. Laris2 just seems to be on the 1 assignment.. Who is she supervising? It's not a "name" they already established there are Agents. She should be supervising other agents. And if there are other agents under her, where are they? Why didn't she call on them or the home office for help instead of the 5 stoodges? ?

perhaps with supervisors now having the ability to mind-control regular people full-time agents aren’t that common anymore.

 

[Kilana2]

It stretches suspension of disbelief just a little bit to have two 21st Century characters who look identical to 24th Century characters, but Isa Briones is back so I'll allow it.

Like Janeway resembled Shannon O'Donnell. Will we see....

Spoiler: Characters and their ancestors

any Riker ancestors played by Jonathan Frakes, too?

 

[Tuskin38]

Picard happening to recall that from Kirk's time? Nah...

He's done it before.

That was the assumption I made. See also: Werner mentions that Soong was in violation of the "Shenzen Conventions", which I took to be the Accord that ended the Eugenics Wars and established the ban on genetic engineering.

TrekCore speculates the name of the accord could have been inspired by
https://time.com/5466967/crispr-twins-lives/

The twins were born in Shenzen

 

[valkyrie013]

perhaps with supervisors now having the ability to mind-control regular people full-time agents aren’t that common anymore.

Which is a power Gary 7 didn't have, but would have been quite usefull.
Also, where is her Servo pen? Where's the snarky computer in her apartment?
Was excited that "the Aegis agents" showed up, but disappointed in the follow thru.

 

[jackoverfull]

Which is a power Gary 7 didn't have, but would have been quite usefull.
Also, where is her Servo pen? Where's the snarky computer in her apartment?
Was excited that "the Aegis agents" showed up, but disappointed in the follow thru.

gary seven lived around 60 years before this episode, things change.

 

[Tuskin38]

Which is a power Gary 7 didn't have, but would have been quite usefull.
Also, where is her Servo pen? Where's the snarky computer in her apartment?
Was excited that "the Aegis agents" showed up, but disappointed in the follow thru.

It's been nearly 60 years. Maybe they got new tech. Or different agents are assigned different tech based on what they're doing.

 

[fireproof78]

It's been nearly 60 years. Maybe they got new tech. Or different agents are assigned different tech based on what they're doing.

The assignment might change too, especially if there was a war.

 

[valkyrie013]

Huh . the original voice of the Beta 5 computer is still alive, Barbara Babcock.. 85.
Could have had her record some new lines.

 

[Tuskin38]

She's been retired since 2004

 

[eschaton]

you must have hated Chekhov’s story in voyage home.

I don't remember it well...something with Uhura right? I guess it was amusing.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't remember it well...something with Uhura right? I guess it was amusing.

Yes, especially the part with interrogation and brain bleeding and hospital hijinks.

It was hilarious.

 

[hxclespaulplayer]

You know, it's starting to get a bit annoying to me that aside from Jurati, the supporting crew of La Sirena really have no reason to be in the story. Or at least haven't since Episode 2.

Rios, Raffi, and Seven pretty clearly just had their parts written over the last three episodes to give them something to do before the gang got back together. There was no intriguing story or notable character arc. I didn't mind Rios' story really, but it didn't add anything. And Raffi/Seven was just awful.

I always thought that the younger crew was meant to make Picard being old an easier pill to swallow for the woke generation. "The Picard show! With a young, hip main cast!" It's very nu-trrekky.

 

[eschaton]

Yes, especially the part with interrogation and brain bleeding and hospital hijinks.

It was hilarious.

But my point is you need a good B/C story if the secondary characters aren't plot critical. We didn't really get that with Rios/Seven/Raffi. I didn't actively mind Rios's, but the story would have been actively better if Seven and Raffi planned and undertook their whole rescue off-camera, which is a big structural issue.

 

[fireproof78]

But my point is you need a good B/C story if the secondary characters aren't plot critical. We didn't really get that with Rios/Seven/Raffi. I didn't actively mind Rios's, but the story would have been actively better if Seven and Raffi planned and undertook their whole rescue off-camera, which is a big structural issue.

Ok.

That's fair. I'm sure it is a big structural issue.