Spoilers Is this series a reboot of First Contact?
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Then maybe the whole point of a school in such an interconnected world would be to dispose of the inhuman Borg maturation chambers. The Borg placed babies/infants in to maturation chambers until they were fully mature or able enough to work as drones/developed as adults for productive work (according to Q Who?). They even put Picard in to a similar type of maturation chamber as he was being assimilated as maybe he was slightly underdeveloped in some way so they had to ‘mature’ him a bit before he could take on the form of Locutus, this is where Riker and the away team discovered their Captains neatly folded uniform (Best of Both Worlds operation to recover Picard).
Perhaps schools and academies etc would be needed in a hive mind/inter connected collective consciousness because they would help children and young adults to develop socially, emotionally, morally and physically in ways that only they can learn independently through experience as a result of their unique physiology, biology and mental capacities/abilities/strengths… all federations citizens who choose to become part of a ‘collective’ would still be unique individuals and one size might not fit all in regards to the process, so a school type environment could help to balance the needs of a social and beneficial collective consciousness and prevent the abhorrent and forced total mental and physical assimilation/mechanical augmentation? I’m sure that individual people connected in such a passive collective consciousness would still have conflicting thoughts, beliefs, morals and ideas… free will and self determination should surely be left in tact in such an extreme social/evolutional/technological development. There would need to be places to help teach people to learn to live in stable harmony with the knowledge of these ideological differences and beliefs which are now running rampant in their shared experiences/consciousness, even though they all have shared knowledge and have a text book understanding of each other’s points of view and perspectives via the shared ‘database’… it does not mean that they all want to live their life in a way ‘alien’ to them?
School’s have never been so important… only the best would get in to Starfleet Academy though.
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What I'm seeing is new-Battlestar Galactica overtones.
Unh-uh! NOPE! We are NOT going through another hot mess that was Season 4 of BSG. That bull**it reveal of the Final Five and the overly complicated ending cost me hours and hours of therapy. I am already developing that twitch in my right eye.
You darned kids get off of my lawn...
Unh-uh! NOPE! We are NOT going through another hot mess that was Season 4 of BSG. That bull**it reveal of the Final Five and the overly complicated ending cost me hours and hours of therapy. I am already developing that twitch in my right eye.
You darned kids get off of my lawn...
it’s a good job I didn’t watch BSG at the time by the sounds of it, in the same way that I have never watched any of the Star Wars franchise…. I felt that I would be a traitor to the Star Trek Universe if I dabbled in all that other sorcery and witchcraft! I knew where my loyalties lay! However now that I am older and wiser I might have to expand my sci-fi horizons?
it’s a good job I didn’t watch BSG at the time by the sounds of it, in the same way that I have never watched any of the Star Wars franchise…. I felt that I would be a traitor to the Star Trek Universe if I dabbled in all that other sorcery and witchcraft! I knew where my loyalties lay! However now that I am older and wiser I might have to expand my sci-fi horizons?
Yeah, that therapist didn't work for free.....
Not sure why you added a smiley to my post you quoted, but whatever. Along with the stuff that's already been cited, the fact that the Borg queen networked the ships was also very nuBSG, using that as a potentially fatal vulnerability. That particular tactic - against a whole armada - had never been employed by the Borg in Trek (unless I'm forgetting something).Unh-uh! NOPE! We are NOT going through another hot mess that was Season 4 of BSG. That bull**it reveal of the Final Five and the overly complicated ending cost me hours and hours of therapy. I am already developing that twitch in my right eye.
You darned kids get off of my lawn...
It's odd, though, that she didn't stun Picard & Rios - the 2 dudes who could most easily initiate the self-destruct, and who were standing point-blank in front of her. Stunning them would've given her enough time to assimilate the ship, since the rest of the crew wouldn't have had time to act.
You had one at the end so maybe it go cut/pasted with the edit to select the text. Or the quote tag did something weird.
Romulans. Any time something weird/ unexplained happens, it's Rom-u-LANS.
"But Crusher, that's your answer for everything!"
Hey, Raffi turned out to be right...
"But Crusher, that's your answer for everything!"
Hey, Raffi turned out to be right...
OMG just paused watching the new Picard episode after the first post credit scene as I had a nerdgasm that I needed to post about… Star Trek IV ghetto blaster public transport punk rocker is back!!!!! But this time he didn’t need a nerve pinch… he submitted to Seven of Nine’s charms!
I think that this might be a reboot of The Voyage Home? Not first Contact? Maybe it is an amalgamated reboot of both films?!
This is epic!!!!
Can we reboot more Star Trek in this way please?
Anyway, I had best unpause and continue watching this weeks episode.
I think that this might be a reboot of The Voyage Home? Not first Contact? Maybe it is an amalgamated reboot of both films?!
This is epic!!!!
Can we reboot more Star Trek in this way please?
Anyway, I had best unpause and continue watching this weeks episode.
OMG!!! Young Guinan??? This episode is like a dream so far!
This could also be a potential reboot of Times Arrow??? Minus Mark Twain and cholera of course.
Had to pause again to sqweeeee with excitement and post!
Maybe young Guinan can become part of Seven of Nine’s crew? Seven of Nine can help to mentor Guinan to become the strong and independent women that we know from TNG!!!
I wonder if they will try to find Data’s head though in this episode??
I will unpause and continue my viewing.
This could also be a potential reboot of Times Arrow??? Minus Mark Twain and cholera of course.
Had to pause again to sqweeeee with excitement and post!
Maybe young Guinan can become part of Seven of Nine’s crew? Seven of Nine can help to mentor Guinan to become the strong and independent women that we know from TNG!!!
I wonder if they will try to find Data’s head though in this episode??
I will unpause and continue my viewing.
OMG they just parodied the ‘Past Tense’ processing centre waiting room scene (originally featuring Bashir) straight after the ‘Times Arrow’ Guinan scene! WTF? Is this the best officially licensed Star Trek spoof I have ever seen? YES! I had to pause again to post! I hope that the guards don’t raid the room again and take hostages like they did in DS9…
PS, moderators please do not give me a warning for double posting, I’m just overcome with emotion right now!
Ok back to the show…
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Edited the post so that I don’t get in trouble for triple posting.
Seven of Nine definitely knows how to drive? So why did she lie?
I think that Tom Paris taught her how to drive as well as how to pilot shuttles?
PS, moderators please do not give me a warning for double posting, I’m just overcome with emotion right now!
Ok back to the show…
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Edited the post so that I don’t get in trouble for triple posting.
Seven of Nine definitely knows how to drive? So why did she lie?
I think that Tom Paris taught her how to drive as well as how to pilot shuttles?
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I was more concerned about the spoilers, as people following this thread might not have seen the current episode yet.PS, moderators please do not give me a warning for double posting, I’m just overcome with emotion right now!
Oooopss *discreetly edits thread title….*
Let’s hope that the Borg tag team of Seven of Nine and Queen can help to stop them/Q preventing the launch! I’m surprised that these two characters have not shared many more scenes together considering their history? Having Seven of Nine and the Queen interacting instead of the Queen and Jurati would have been for far deeper story telling and viewing. The Queen assimilated Anika and the Hansen family, she horrifically made Seven confront her assimilated parents as an adult after she had regained her humanity in Dark Frontier… Seven and the Queen spent a lot of time together in this TV movie and got to know each other quite well, the Queen even insinuated that she put Seven on Voyager on purpose as part of one of her convoluted plans. This series was the perfect opportunity to almost make a semi sequel to Dark Frontier as well as all other previously mentioned episodes in the opening post, an opportunity that hopefully is not lost over the upcoming episodes. The consequences of The Raven/Dark Frontier can not be glossed over with a few throw away lines between Seven and the Queen as meekly written in episode 2 of this season. If these two characters don’t have at least one final showdown before the series ends it would be a great disservice to the fans.
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Akiva Goldsman gave some weird copout answer to the effect of, "Oh we've seen those stories before, why should we retread them?" I profoundly disagree with that premise; I think that the Queen interacting with both Picard and Seven would make for more powerful drama, but oh well. I think the pandemic cheated us on that front, since they wrote the story around character pairs for safety reasons (COVID pods).
Maybe the original plan was to have Seven and the Queen share this storyline? But because they have decided to make an Assignment:Earth style Seven of Nine spin-off show instead (in my mind!) they can’t have Seven as the new Borg Queen as it would not fit in with that story, so they had to shoe horn Jurati in to the role of Borg Queen instead? It was either Jurati or the janitor if it couldn’t be Seven…
I agree that this would have mad a lot of sense.
LOL, nice headcanon! But I think that it's mostly because they were more interested in exploring Jurati than Seven. Remember how in season 1, the becoming-BQ-plot to save the cube, then losing thousands of xB's was a one-and-done plot.
Plus, covid conditions mean she's stuck in a bubble with Raffi and godawful artificial conflict.
Soooo, it's nice to be right! Not only was this absolutely correct, but we had Baltar as Picard's dad!What I'm seeing is new-Battlestar Galactica overtones. nuBSG ended with humanity and Cylons realizing their mutual need for each other, intertwining their destines forever. Even the ramblings of the Borg Queen in the latest episode resemble the ramblings of the Basestar hybrids in BSG. It seems to be the trend these days, with Rey in SW finding some equilibrium with the dark side and all that.
So perhaps while the Queen, Picard and crew are all mutually dependent on one another for the mission this season, it'll bring about a change of heart for all. Borgfleet/Federborg here we come!
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