General Trek Questions and Observations

[Summer Solstice]

Lately, I've been wondering what would happen if the assorted Trek crews had a "Hunger Games" style battle... bows and melee weapons only, only one survivor permitted.

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VOY: This one could be interesting. The closest thing to an invulnerable character is the sawbones (we assume his ethical subroutines are deleted), but one bat'leth through the emitter and he fizzles out of existence. With Janeway's badazzery, Kes's telekinesis, Seven's superior strength and coordination, Tuvok's Vulcan martial training, and even Harry's inability to stay dead, this one is too close to call. Only thing we know is that Neelix lasts about five seconds.

I think Harry would win because he wouldn't really be seen as a threat and his inability to stay dead really is a superpower.

Something I've been wondering...
I had the idea that the Holodeck would be interesting to study a simulation of what happened, for example, in Pompeii during the eruption of Mount Vesuvius (or any other distaste with more documentation for a more authentic simulation)...except that with a holodeck where you can touch/smell/feel things that would be deadly.

Do you think for studies like that, the holodeck would have a mode where the holograms are purely visual, without any of the other stuff that could end up deadly?

That's a really cool idea. I think someone would invent that.

Worf would be the first to fall. Even Wesley would last longer.

It would have been interesting if Worf was the counselor on TNG and Troi was the chief of security. But yes, Worf would definitely be the first to fall.

 

[Oddish]

I think Harry would win because he wouldn't really be seen as a threat and his inability to stay dead really is a superpower.

You may be right. Harry goes down quickly in the bloodbath, stays in a limp bloody motionless heap for most of the ensuing fight, then rises to kill the exhausted last survivor. A little like Foxface in THG, whose plan almost worked.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Something I've been wondering...
I had the idea that the Holodeck would be interesting to study a simulation of what happened, for example, in Pompeii during the eruption of Mount Vesuvius (or any other distaste with more documentation for a more authentic simulation)...except that with a holodeck where you can touch/smell/feel things that would be deadly.

Do you think for studies like that, the holodeck would have a mode where the holograms are purely visual, without any of the other stuff that could end up deadly?

I think it would depend on what you wanted to look at. For something like Pompeii, we have a wealth of historical documentation and much of the actual structure of the place is intact. I think it would be easy for the computer to extrapolate from the data we have and at least create a simulacrum of the environment, if not approximations of some individuals we know of, or at least physical representations of people from the skeletal remains we have preserved.

I guess the more the computer would have to invent, the more difficult it would become. Hanging out with a Neanderthal tribe for example. We know what they looked like, but nothing really of what they wore, spoke, did or believed.

 

[tesral]

I think it would depend on what you wanted to look at. For something like Pompeii, we have a wealth of historical documentation and much of the actual structure of the place is intact. I think it would be easy for the computer to extrapolate from the data we have and at least create a simulacrum of the environment, if not approximations of some individuals we know of, or at least physical representations of people from the skeletal remains we have preserved.

I guess the more the computer would have to invent, the more difficult it would become. Hanging out with a Neanderthal tribe for example. We know what they looked like, but nothing really of what they wore, spoke, did or believed.

This has been done, for Pompeii at least.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

You could send a rover or probe to an uninhabitable planet and use the data to allow an away team to virtually visit it.


BTW, Miss Frizzle is a rogue temporal agent. As long as the bus's tech isn't held up to 20th century scrutiny, she hasn't changed technological development in Earth history yet.

 

[Don Drutherford]

Well… as reasonable, rational, and well thought-out as that opinion is…



Warning for trolling. Comments to PM.

It WASN'T a "troll". "Enterprise" was the LAST Star Trek series that was worth a crap.

 

[1001001]

It WASN'T a "troll". "Enterprise" was the LAST Star Trek series that was worth a crap.

In your opinion, sure.

As for your warning, it definitely was trolling, so don’t derail this thread any further.

Moving on.

 

[GNDN18]

Washington Post:
How this tech whiz became William Shatner’s eyeball double in ‘Star Trek II’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/03/22/star-trek-movie-shatners-eyeball/

 

[Oddish]

Just a couple questions... in "Death Wish", Quinn erases every male on Voyager from existence. A short time later, our Q brings them back.
First question: Q had never been near Voyager before, so how did he know who he was supposed to be apparently conjuring out of thin air?
Second question: What might have happened if Q had not been able to recreate the lost crew? Could a "ship of the Valkyries" have made it home?

 

[matthunter]

First question: Q had never been near Voyager before, so how did he know who he was supposed to be apparently conjuring out of thin air?

Q: Perhaps you haven't comprehended the full meaning of the term "God"?

Less arrogantly, he could easily absorb the ship's personnel records.

 

[Oddish]

"You are not God! ... The universe is not so badly designed."
- Picard, to Q.

I'll give you the personnel records, though.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

"You are not God! ... The universe is not so badly designed."
- Picard, to Q.

I'll give you the personnel records, though.

Whether he 'is god' or not is a fundamentally faith-based (and therefore objectively unanswerable) question.

But his abilities are so god-like that there are probably more ways he could get any piece of information he wants than we could count. He could read people's minds. He could time travel. Be invisible. Exactly duplicate the records out of thin air. (Virtually) rewind molecules to see what they did. Etc, etc. It's pretty ridiculous to ask 'How does Q know that'? The answer is always 'Because it's Q.'

 

[Oddish]

Ah, but remember that Quinn told us that the Q's powers do have limits. And, Q and the Gray reinforces this.

 

[cooleddie74]

There must be limits if Quinn was trapped inside a cometary nucleus for centuries as a prison sentence.

 

[gweeps]

The Q is just an extremely advanced race. Quinn told Tuvok as much in 'Death Wish'.

"We may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not."

 

[gweeps]

Also, let's not forget what happened at the end of the recently aired Picard, season 2 episode.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

'We have limits' is an easy, safe and totally unspecific thing to toss into a story like that. It hasn't ever stopped them from portraying Q as able to do whatever the plot required with the only real trump card against a Q being other Q.

*Haven't seen Picard season 2, so who knows, maybe they've massively surprised me on this score.

 

[Oddish]

Well, if I was making odds of Q against Dowdd, I'd probably say 5-4 in Q's favor. A Federation penal ship against a Dowdd... I dunno, maybe a googol to one?

 

[Orphalesion]

In my opinion QWho still implies that a lot of what Q does is just illusions. What would be the sense of Picard asking whether the Borg Encounter was just "one of [Q's] illusions" if it hadn't happened before.

To me it also seems like they have access to some sort of Pocket Dimensions they can fill with illusions.

 

[Oddish]

To my it also seems like they have access to some sort of Pocket Dimensions they can fill with illusions.

Or maybe real things. Like the men of Voyager.