Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x03 - "Assimilation"

[Guy Gardener]

Home means "not the confederation".

I did arrive at that point, but I was too busy trying to figure out if the ship crashed in France or America.

 

[BK613]

Down a bit this week mostly because

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the Rios part felt a bit contrived. The one of three that could be mistaken as an undocumented Latino/Hispanic of the 21 century is the one that gets injured and is taken to a clinic that helps the undocumented, which of course gets raided on the day he is there. Liked the actual scenes at the clinic though.

A good solid 8.

edit to clarify my train of thought

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's 2024, according to Loki they are apocalypse proof. Any small changes Christobal makes to the timeline, will be invisiblized by the looming atomic war that starts in 2 years where everyone and everything will be on fire.

When he gets back to the ship, he can launch some torpedoes and take out ICE Headquaters, or maybe some police stations.

Or fabricate tens of thousands of identities, that he can hand out to the undocumented, along with bank accounts.

Or he could just replicate a billion dollars, and then hand it out.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Let's hope he doesn't hand anything out to Gabriel Bell.

 

[Llywela]

Down a bit this week mostly because

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the Rios part felt a bit contrived. The one of three that could be mistaken as Latino/Hispanic is the one that gets injured and is taken to a clinic that helps the undocumented, which of course gets raided on the day he is there. Liked the actual scenes at the clinic though.

Mistaken for Latino? He is Latino. And he is also not carrying any ID that would be meaningful to police or immigration officers in 2024. The story might be a bit on the nose, but it is entirely plausible, following a logical and realistic* sequence of events from the moment he got dropped in mid air by the fritzing transporter. Judging by Dr Theresa's reaction, her clinic probably gets raided fairly often, precisely because it is known to help the undocumented.

*I mean, realistic by the standards of a story about spaceships and time travel and aliens...

 

[BK613]

Mistaken for Latino? He is Latino.

Yeah, I knew no matter how I worded that, someone would try to make it mean something that wasn't intended. Adding the phrases "an undocumented" and "of the 21st century" to clarify. Because nothing dismissive or derogatory was intended. But you probably knew that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Mistaken for Latino? He is Latino. And he is also not carrying any ID that would be meaningful to police or immigration officers in 2024. The story might be a bit on the nose, but it is entirely plausible, following a logical and realistic* sequence of events from the moment he got dropped in mid air by the fritzing transporter. Judging by Dr Theresa's reaction, her clinic probably gets raided fairly often, precisely because it is known to help the undocumented.

*I mean, realistic by the standards of a story about spaceships and time travel and aliens...

If the Clinic has been raided every week, for years, then shouldn't the agents know Dr Theresa? And shouldn't the agents know Dr Theresa's rabid lawyers, because there is no f*cking way that these thugs have not been charged with excessive force again and again? Unless she just got a bunch of enforcement officers fired and these buggers are their noob replacements on their first day.

Although, it is a sanctuary state, so wtf?

 

[Trekker4747]

Based on what we know about 2024 from the DS9 2-parter if any of our characters were found by the police they would've gotten arrested for not having proper ID on them. (And likely thrown in a Sanctuary District which are supposed to be walled off.) Rios' Hispanic/Latino nationality just gets him the illegal immigrant curve-ball to compound his troubles.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Based on what we know about 2024 from the DS9 2-parter if any of our characters were found by the police they would've gotten arrested for not having proper ID on them. (And likely thrown in a Sanctuary District which are supposed to be walled off.) Rios' Hispanic/Latino nationality just gets him the illegal immigrant curve-ball to compound his troubles.

Theoretically a Sanctuary District is a good thing.

Free food.

Free shelter.

If it's a good thing, then it's just for citizens.

Some of the reasons that the Sanctuary Districts became a bad thing, is over population, piss poor HR, and little effort to thwart bullies and criminals creating a hierarchy.

 

[thribs]

Yeah that confused me that scene. How did Raffi and Annika get in and out of the district so easily?

 

[jackoverfull]

They're about to crash into Los Angeles,%70 of nav controls are off line, they pivot and seconds later they are crashing into the south of France?

yes, this was strange, as I wrote on my own post.

Or Chateau Picard moved from France to America, Los Angeles, possibly because the vineyard shut down after Robert and Rene died, and the government claimed the unused land, which later wasn't still available by the time Picard retired...

there is zero evidence of this. And the fact that it’s night while in LA is daytime proves they are not near LA.

Hell, Marie Picard could still be running Chateau Picard in France very successfully, but did not want to share her home or her business with an old man she did not want to accidentally see naked while sharing a bathroom.

awk. Too much information.

Down a bit this week mostly because

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the Rios part felt a bit contrived. The one of three that could be mistaken as an undocumented Latino/Hispanic of the 21 century is the one that gets injured and is taken to a clinic that helps the undocumented, which of course gets raided on the day he is there. Liked the actual scenes at the clinic though.

A good solid 8.

edit to clarify my train of thought

seemed like a logical progression to me. I’m more surprised Rios does the stupid thing and tries to help her instead of fleeing: had he fled there would have been little contamination and he could have come back later for the badge. He was not responsible for the raid qnd he is NOW responsible for the doctor being arrested and charged of helping a n illegal migrant. In the original timeline the raid would have happened, but with the old guy escaping from the back door there would likely have been no cause for arresting her.

 

[Trekker4747]

Theoretically a Sanctuary District is a good thing.

Free food.

Free shelter.

If it's a good thing, then it's just for citizens.

Some of the reasons that the Sanctuary Districts became a bad thing, is over population, piss poor HR, and little effort to thwart bullies and criminals creating a hierarchy.

And they became more of a way to get rid of the visual blight of the homeless rather than actually helping them. Rewatch the episodes.

Yeah that confused me that scene. How did Raffi and Annika get in and out of the district so easily?

I'm guessing either they just managed to get out by being clever (I mean, Seven) or LA operated theirs differently than San Fran does. (Though not keeping them locked up defeated the purpose of them which, again, was less to help the homeless get back on their feet and more to get rid of the visual unappeal of them.)

 

[BK613]

@jackoverfull I think you are missing my point. To put it another way, if repairing the timeline required

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a visit to the Antebellum South (and the story about the travesty of slavery), Raffi would have been the one of the three conveniently incapacitated by the transporter so she could be captured by slavers or whatever.

That's why I felt it contrived.

 

[Vince A]

What are these filming locations? Griffith observatory was pretty obvious, and I'm guessing the one with the beach is somewhere along the pacific coast highway, probably north of Santa Monica...

(1)The top pic looks like the Silverlake Reservoir in the Silverlake neighborhood of LA.
(2) Not sure about this one
(3) PCH in Malibu or Santa Monica.
(4) Cartier flagship store on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills, CA.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And they became more of a way to get rid of the visual blight of the homeless rather than actually helping them. Rewatch the episodes.



I'm guessing either they just managed to get out by being clever (I mean, Seven) or LA operated there's differently than San Fran does. (Though not keeping them locked up defeated the purpose of them which, again, was less to help the homeless get back in their feet and more to get rid of the visual unappealing of them.)

Maybe I should have said "conceptually" instead of "theoretically".

If the Government was not completely evil, by design Sanctuary Districts were supposed to be good, and on Day One maybe they were, but by 2024 Snake Plisken was right at home.

which is close to what they said in Past Tense.

Sanctuary Districts were originally established as places of sanctuary for those without jobs or homes. People with a criminal record were not allowed. In the beginning, many people entered the districts voluntarily because of the promise that the administration would help them get jobs so they can find a way out of their destitution. Despite the benevolent intent, however, conditions inside the camps quickly degenerated to the point where by 2024, overcrowding was a pervasive problem throughout the districts. More people were taken to Sanctuaries than buildings could accommodate, so many of them were sleeping on the streets, often on sidewalks or in tents or cardboard boxes. The government had also begun to forcefully locate people there, including people with mental health problems, or "dims", who could not afford health care services as well as the financially destitute. Laws prohibiting sleeping on the streets were further used to justify the forceful relocation of residents to the Sanctuaries.

If they are not letting people in with criminal records, at least back when they pretending that these were nice places for nice people, then they are not letting in undocumented people since they do not have paper work to say that they do not have a criminal record.

Besides, the Sanctuary District we saw the other night did not have walls.

The residents were kept in place because (probably) that's where they had to sit and wait for food, or they were shooed back there by the police... Running Man? Maybe they were tagged and an alarm went off if they went were they were not welcome?

 

[jackoverfull]

The districts are probably operated differently in LA

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Santiago Cabrera was born in Venezuela to Chilean parents and grew up mainly in England, but also lived in Romania, Canada, and Spain. He didn't live in Chile until he was 15 years old, though he has Chilean nationality. Perhaps someone with more experience of South American accents can confirm what his accent best matches?

I just went with what Wikipedia said. I wouldn't be able to distinguish South American accents personally

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Besides, the Sanctuary District we saw the other night did not have walls.

Did we see a sanctuary district or just some homeless people

 

[thribs]

Did we see a sanctuary district or just some homeless people

It was a sanctuary district. There was a sign in the background

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

I forgot to mention that in this episode, I enjoyed the quips/ barbs/ snark, when in ep 2, some of it felt forced.

"Do I look like a fascist bastard?" - "Fascist? No..."
"You and 2024 should get a room!"