Trek guest actors in maybe surprising roles

[FormerLurker]

That's not true at all. The name was coined by Vonda McIntyre in the novel The Entropy Effect in 1981, and it only became canonical because novelist Peter David happened to be on set the day the Excelsior scene in ST VI was being filmed and he suggested it to the filmmakers. According to the novel's editor David Hartwell, interviewed in Voyages of the Imagination: The Star Trek Fiction Companion (p. 36), "Vonda corresponded with Gene Roddenberry and George Takei to give Sulu a first name, Hikaru. They both eventually agreed." They wouldn't have had to be talked into it if the name had come from them in the first place. Takei must have misremembered by the time of that convention.

I will not contest that Vonda McIntyre came up with the name, or that she corresponded with GR and Takei to give him the name. But unless production of ST:VI, specifically the Excelsior scenes, was going on before spring of 1990, Peter David suggesting the name was happenstance that coincided with their intent at the time. Remember, Takei told this to 3000 attendees at the Denver Star Trek convention in March/April 1990, so his understanding that this was supposed to be the name was set by that point.

 

[Christopher]

Remember, Takei told this to 3000 attendees at the Denver Star Trek convention in March/April 1990, so his understanding that this was supposed to be the name was set by that point.

Which does not in any way support your previous claim that it was intended in the 1960s.

 

[Neopeius]

Paul Carr was on The Invaders this week (3-14-1967) -- and you may recognize the fellow on the right, playing an alien again after his more famous turn almost two decades before...

 

[MAGolding]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it before, but Stanley Adams had a "maybe surprising" role as Sam Tustin in "Rifles for Red Hand", Tales of Wells Fargo , May 15, 1961.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0717185/?ref_=ttep_ep33

 

[FormerLurker]

Which does not in any way support your previous claim that it was intended in the 1960s.

It was not my claim, it was Takei's. Stop telling me I'm wrong about events in my life you were not witness to.

 

[Christopher]

It was not my claim, it was Takei's. Stop telling me I'm wrong about events in my life you were not witness to.

I wasn't talking about an event in your life, I was talking about who coined the name Hikaru and when, which is a matter of documented fact having nothing to do with you. What Takei said about it at a convention doesn't matter, because hard evidence outweighs anecdotal assertions. Takei was simply wrong.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I wasn't talking about an event in your life, I was talking about who coined the name Hikaru and when, which is a matter of documented fact having nothing to do with you. What Takei said about it at a convention doesn't matter, because hard evidence outweighs anecdotal assertions. Takei was simply wrong.

But it was not @FormerLurker's claim. Since he brought it up, he's said it was according to Takei.

 

[T'Bonz]

Which does not in any way support Takei's claim that Takei believed it was intended in the 1960s.

FTFY.

 

[Forbin]

"The Golden Frog" was another Roddenberry script for Have Gun - Will Travel. No Trek actors and nothing to do with a later Trek script, but I think there WAS a very loose similarity to his last "three women wiving settlers" script, which was similar to "Mudd's Women," in that this one involved a man with three daughters and a woman with three sons fighting over a gold mine claim, who all made up and got together in the end. That magic number three seemed to be in Gene's head when he had single women to marry off.

 

[Neopeius]

"The Golden Frog" was another Roddenberry script for Have Gun - Will Travel. No Trek actors and nothing to do with a later Trek script, but I think there WAS a very loose similarity to his last "three women wiving settlers" script, which was similar to "Mudd's Women," in that this one involved a man with three daughters and a woman with three sons fighting over a gold mine claim, who all made up and got together in the end. That magic number three seemed to be in Gene's head when he had single women to marry off.

Apropos of that and Gene Dynarski's appearance on The Monkees last week, John Kowal was in this week's episode of I, Spy (3-15-67):

and in a Trek two-fer, Ricardo Montalbán and France Nuyen making out:

Someone could make an interesting story out of that one!

Finally, on the 3-17-67 The Green Hornet, Arthur Batanides shows up again (busiest heavy in showbiz)...this time alongside Dr. Mabuse!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

"The Golden Frog" was another Roddenberry script for Have Gun - Will Travel. No Trek actors and nothing to do with a later Trek script, but I think there WAS a very loose similarity to his last "three women wiving settlers" script, which was similar to "Mudd's Women," in that this one involved a man with three daughters and a woman with three sons fighting over a gold mine claim, who all made up and got together in the end. That magic number three seemed to be in Gene's head when he had single women to marry off.

And he wrote three such stories?

 

[Mudd]

I wasn't talking about an event in your life, I was talking about who coined the name Hikaru and when, which is a matter of documented fact having nothing to do with you. What Takei said about it at a convention doesn't matter, because hard evidence outweighs anecdotal assertions. Takei was simply wrong.

Just once, own up to a wrong statement.

 

[Neopeius]

In tonight's (3-21-67) episode of The Invaders, we got two Trek stars:

Barry Russo:

Susan Oliver:

(did you know Susan Oliver became a quite proficient pilot after Trek?)

 

[Christopher]

(did you know Susan Oliver became a quite proficient pilot after Trek?)

I was going to make some kind of a "pilot" pun about "The Cage," but it turns out I'm too sleepy to think of one.

 

[M'Sharak]

(did you know Susan Oliver became a quite proficient pilot after Trek?)

I remember her being featured in a 1973 segment of American Sportsman as a glider pilot.

 

[Forbin]

Susan Oliver:

(did you know Susan Oliver became a quite proficient pilot after Trek?)

There's a great documentary about her life on Amazon Prime, "The Green Girl."
https://www.amazon.com/Green-Girl-Gary-Conway/dp/B07GTH44M7

 

[Forbin]

Turned on the TV this morning, and there was Anthony Caruso playing a Mexican bandito on Have Gun - Will Travel. An IMDB search leads me to believe it was the S5 episode "The Revenger."

 

[Forbin]

While looking thru Caruso's IMDB, I found these stills from a 1960 Wagon Train episode, "The Reckoning," with him, Montalban, and Madlyn Rhue all playing Native Americans together!
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0142273/mediaviewer/rm3853501184/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0529531/mediaviewer/rm2668014081/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0529531/mediaviewer/rm2533796353/

 

[Neopeius]

On tonight's I, Spy, another two-fer:

Marianna Hill (I didn't recognize her until the credits...)

And Michael Strong being Bad Guy. With Bad Russian Accent.

 

[Christopher]

Michael Strong didn't play a lot of good guys, did he? If I'd known that as a kid, I would've been instantly wary of Roger Korby...