General Trek Questions and Observations
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Fortunately it's not necessary to like everything Star Trek is today.
Was it ever necessary?
Because I have never liked all of Star Trek, ever.
I meant that all that Star Trek is today, you don't have to like it. Not now or long ago.
Then, I don't follow.
The construction of the sentence is odd, or I am not understanding correctly.
No no, language barrier did tricks on me, again....
I meant that it is not necessary to like everything Star Trek has ever created, I think.... You can still be a fan. =)
Got it. Thank you for clarifying.
Did anyone ever accuse Pontiac of ripping of Trek's logo?
One thing I noticed about the original shows: when somebody's in trouble/accused of something, it was a lot easier to believe they didn't do it ("Wolf In The Fold" comes to mind. If you know what Scotty's like from other episodes, you know something's fishy when they think he's a killer.)
These new shows don't have really that. With all the dystopia and darkness and misery, everyone capable of anything...a lot harder to root for your favorite crew with certainty that they're didn't do it and are being framed/mistakenly accused, or did do it under the influence of some space/psychological/biological phenomenon.
These new shows don't have really that. With all the dystopia and darkness and misery, everyone capable of anything...a lot harder to root for your favorite crew with certainty that they're didn't do it and are being framed/mistakenly accused, or did do it under the influence of some space/psychological/biological phenomenon.
Lol. It just popped in to my head as I was driving home yesterday and saw the Pontiac logo up close. And I thought of the dust up over the Space Force logo and I'm like, the Pontiac logo looks way closer to Trek than anything else I've seen.
I will sound very contrarian here and it's not meant personally but I find this very strange. Not that because people are struggling with darker themes and misery they are somehow incapable of being innocent. One of the prime aspects of humanity is that we are capable of all things, that nothing is beyond us in terms of capability, both extreme good and extreme evil. Kirk put it best when he says "we are killers but we're not going to kill today!" Present tense. He doesn't deny humanity's savage past-he represents choice.
Same with Pike in the Cage. He is mournful, sorrowful, over "who lives, and who dies," and yet he is extremely eager to choke out the Keeper when given the opportunity. Which is it? Humans have choice and that's the power of Trek is showing us, as I have read, "a more excellent way."
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My 1964 Catalina has the "modern" logo in black and chrome on the hood and trunk, but uses the bust of Chief Pontiac for the high beam indicator, that lights up red in the speedometer when the high beam headlights are selected.Damn time travelers, stealing the Delta and going back to 1959!
Doesn't that just mean the characters are more morally complex?
That being said I don't find DISC all *that* miserable. (can't talk about PIC since I hate that show too much)
Because it's not. I was thinking about my first Trek episodes I watched. One involved the captain killing his best friend and one involved a bride becoming a widow day of her wedding.
But DSC is miserable?
Being a Christian, I do believe that anyone is capable of sinking to any level of depravity imaginable, given certain conditions. Sin can worm its way into our hearts and minds insidiously; it is, after all, our nature after the Fall.
I guess I'd just like to think that while it's possible in the real world, it wouldn't be so probable in the fictional world that the people we care about could and will do anything. It'd be nice to have heroes we can trust will only become better or ultimately re-affirm their goodness even if they struggle. Happy endings, satisfying, or at least understandable ones that you have to make peace with.
Maybe I'm just living in the past, TV hero-wise.
I mean, Kirk did questionable things, and TOS wasn't always happy and upbeat, or sometimes it was inappropriately happy and upbeat. I don't see much difference between current heroes or past ones. Heck, I feel like heroes are becoming better because I actually think I can be like them, rather than sighing and going "Wouldn't that be nice."
Yeah, I guess. Maybe because episodic shows gave you the feeling that whatever happened, it would be okay. Unlike story-arc heavy seasons where it seems like everyone is trapped in the same, difficult struggle. More realistic but less of an escape from the real stuff.
Yeah, I guess it depends on how one views entertainment. A lot of people want it for the escapism/distraction.
...Is there a chance that there be a future ST series that is NOT F**KED UP by this Kurtzman a-hole??? ...Just asking.(How long will this remain up before one of his PEGBOYS removes it, and bans me?)
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