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Was it ever explained how an admiral gets to captain their own ship?

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As we all know Kirk never liked being an admiral because his heart always was in the stars......not at a desk. For him, getting demoted to Captain and getting to be the captain of another Enterprise was heaven.

But why is it there are times when admirals get to actually captain their own ship? In the series finale of TNG Admiral Riker was the "captain" of the Enterprise 1701-D which was still in service after all of those years in that alternate future.

Was it ever explained in any of ST lore how Admiral Riker was able to do this and not be stuck behind a desk for the rest of his Starfleet career?
 
As we all know Kirk never liked being an admiral because his heart always was in the stars......not at a desk. For him, getting demoted to Captain and getting to be the captain of another Enterprise was heaven.

But why is it there are times when admirals get to actually captain their own ship? In the series finale of TNG Admiral Riker was the "captain" of the Enterprise 1701-D which was still in service after all of those years in that alternate future.

Was it ever explained in any of ST lore how Admiral Riker was able to do this and not be stuck behind a desk for the rest of his Starfleet career?

Admirals don't seem to be constrained to desks per say.
Some opt to do so if they don't feel like going out into sp.ace... so they devote themselves to stationary positions such as planets, outposts and starbases probably (reading up on intelligence reports, giving out assignments, and whatever else admirals are privy to).

Other admirals apparently have the ability to chose their own command and pretty much do the same as stationary admirals, just in the field.
Riker wasn't the first one. During the Borg invasion of Wolf 359, one of the admirals (an old timer) was stationed on one of the ships.
Also, in the First Contact movie, there was an 'admiral's ship' which was destroyed by the time the ENT-E showed up.

Granted, those were battle situations, so its not exactly unreasonable to think an admiral would be deployed into space for the purpose of coordinating the fleet (but strictly speaking, an Admiral is not needed for that purpose... because any seasoned officer could take over command of the fleet - like Picard did - one wonders why no other SF captian in that battle did the same).

But, its not that uncommon.

Also, as we saw in ST: Prodigy that vice admiral Janeway was in command of the Starfleet built USS Dauntless because she set out to search for Chakotay and the Protostar.

Its also possible that admirals having their own commands wasn't common until the 24th century.

As for the Ent-D being still in service in 'All good things' (alternate future)... again, not something that would be uncommon.
Excelsior class ships have been in service for over 80 years... some (like the USS Lakota) were upgraded before the Dominion war, and their tactical abilities rivaled some of the most powerful ships of the late 24th century (such as the Defiant).

So, Ent-D being in service for several decades is nothing really. The original Enterprise (the one from TOS) was in service for what... 50 odd years?
If the Ent-D wasn't destroyed in 'Generations', that ship could easily be in service for at least 200 years or more.
In fact, SF could easily just take an existing Galaxy class ship built in say 2363, and do a major refit twice a century (repeating this cycle endlessly).
I'd also expect that like Discovery, that a major upgrade which results in reshaping of its hull could also come with a letter change (again, once every century or so).
Its overall shape would probably change over time... and because of replicators, transporters and tractor beams, the entire superstructure could be exchanged in a single trasnport cycle for modern one (same shape for example but contemporary materials - and even change the shape itself if SF came up with a better one).
Same with the interior and exterior.
It wouldn't be much of an issue for SF to keep upgrading ships (and changing them) in active service and never retire them (unless they become famous enough or end up destroyed).
Upgrades and 'refreshes' would keep the ships on par technologically with modern ones and just as good as brand new ones.
 
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I always figure AGT Riker was stationed at a starbase overseeing a few sectors and the Ent-D was kept there to take him around when he wanted/needed to leave the base.
he did say he had to pull some strings as an admiral to keep the ship on active duty
 
Admirals can command ships, but their vessel is the flagship of whatever taskforce they command. So we meet the usual "the Captain shouldn't be beaming down" point, only Starfleet cares a bit more about this one. Riker should have delegated rescuing Picard and company to some of the other vessels under his command - unless the refit E-D was genuinely "the only ship in range"?
 
By definition, admirals' commands are a higher level than a single ship. Sometimes they are located on a ship, but that vessel has its own captain. In the real world admirals and their staff have their own part of the ship and don't interact much with the ship's crew on duty, but Trek never came up with a way to integrate something like that with the bridge set arrangements.
 
I guess the real question would be "why not....?"...particularly if the Admiral came from a starship command background.
 
I guess they can't have a ship permanently, that's what Kirk missed. He can only take the nearest ship out if there's a reason, and has to return it after. But who was in command of the D when Riker was at his desk?
 
In Kirk's era, there probably were not as many Starfleet ships available for an admiral to just keep as their own ship.

But in the TNG era and onward, there are almost certainly a LOT more ships to go around, so it's quite possible numerous admirals use their privilege to have their own starship.
 
In Kirk's era, there probably were not as many Starfleet ships available for an admiral to just keep as their own ship.

7000 ships in active service by mid 23rd century per Control in Disco Season 2.
I think that's more than enough... and from that point onward, the numbers would grow.

But in the TNG era and onward, there are almost certainly a LOT more ships to go around, so it's quite possible numerous admirals use their privilege to have their own starship.

There SHOULD be a lot more ships to go around. The UFP by then is comprised of over 150 member worlds.
Utopia planitia can't be the ONLY SF shipyard for the whole Federation... there's that, plus drydocks and construction facilities in Earth's orbit.

Multiply that with over 150 member species planets... all of which would HAVE to have (logically speaking) their own shipyard facilities similar to what exists in SOL.
After all, the planet's previous military is absorbed into SF, and one would THINK that SF would want to equalize shipbuilding capabilities in each and every member planet solar systems (but not necessarily their colonies) so you'd basically have thousands of shipyards across the Federation combined.

Lets say that Earth has 200 shipbuilding facilities (100 in Earth's orbit and 100 at Utopia Planitia).
Multiply that by 150 and you have 30 000... and construction of a starship would have to be much less time consuming compared to DESIGNING one. So, the UFP could easily have thosuands of ships of just 1 class.
Say the Galaxy class was commissioned to be built for the first 2 years... Assigning 10 shipbuilding facilities per solar system would give UFP 1500 Galaxy class ships in less than a year at the time. In 2 years, the UFP would have a total of 3-000 Galaxy class ships.

That doesn't even take into account possible expansion of shipbuilding capabilities... and as we noted, the UFP managed to build 10 000 Warp capable transport ships to evacuate Romulus in a very small time frame.

If they can do that in the 24th century, then it just goes to show that UFP could easily have over 100 000 ships in service by then.

So, building humongous amounts of ships for UFP isn't an issue when you think about it... problem is, the writers back in the Berman era might not have had a proper scope of how large UFP is.
 
You're going by what DISCO established in season 2.

I'm going by what was done up until the end of the Berman era. It's also telling that in ENTERPRISE, no admiral had their own ship. This makes sense, since Starfleet was pretty new at that time.
 
I imagine Admirals can do whatever they want in that regard. No-one ever explained how Admiral Ross retained the command of the USS Bellophoron in DS9. It's possible that, when promoted from captain, admirals are given the opportunity to retain command of their ships if they so wish. I doubt there's many things an admiral is required to do that would mean they'd have to be stationed on a starbase or a planet.
 
I've seen nothing to suggest it's that much different from the real world: An admiral assigned to a position that requires a ship is assigned a flagship. An admiral at a base or in a staff position is not.

I still do not think that an admiral would act as captain of a vessel. They should have bigger things to worry about than managing the departments of one ship. TWOK would be an odd, temporary exception, and we don't know how far Kirk got into the internal management of the ship in that short period.
 
If an admiral has a specific job that requires frequent travel, I could see giving her a ship instead of rerouting ships on other missions or hoping a shuttlecraft/runabout is free.
 
Admirals were considered for command of the NX-01

If an admiral is in charge of a sector, they might just make his command a mobile command. So have there own ship.
However , like in ST 2 there was a captain that was in charge and the admiral had his own office and staff and didn't handle the daily running of the ships. May also be in overall command of a fleet of ships.
An admiral is in command of an aircraft carrier group. But not 1 boat.
 
As we all know Kirk never liked being an admiral because his heart always was in the stars......not at a desk. For him, getting demoted to Captain and getting to be the captain of another Enterprise was heaven.

But why is it there are times when admirals get to actually captain their own ship? In the series finale of TNG Admiral Riker was the "captain" of the Enterprise 1701-D which was still in service after all of those years in that alternate future.

Was it ever explained in any of ST lore how Admiral Riker was able to do this and not be stuck behind a desk for the rest of his Starfleet career?
That's what the mission required. As others have noted, admirals can be serving in many roles, and may require a flag ship to accomplish their mission.
 
Hmmm, I wonder if Kirk as admiral spent most of his time on other places than a starship. In Star Trek II he definitely wasn't really all that happy being an admiral. Spock even said that Kirk accepting a promotion to admiral was a mistake.
 
Hmmm, I wonder if Kirk as admiral spent most of his time on other places than a starship. In Star Trek II he definitely wasn't really all that happy being an admiral. Spock even said that Kirk accepting a promotion to admiral was a mistake.
I think the biggest thing for Kirk is being an admiral isn't just one job, so being a ship came sporadically. Being an admiral meant overseeing multiple functions, as well as reading reports of those he got to send on adventures. To him, he couldn't make a difference because he wasn't out in the thick of it. He was behind the scenes, supporting staff, training, and allocation of resources.
 
Riker commanding the Enterprise in AGT was mostly just storytelling convenience, the narrative had no need for the ship to have a separate Captain, or rather a separate Captain would have just gotten in the way, therefore Riker commanded the ship. I suppose if you wanted to contrive an in-universe explanation you could say the actual Captain was on leave or something and Riker was filling in since the ship was needed and there were no other qualified officers available.
I imagine Admirals can do whatever they want in that regard. No-one ever explained how Admiral Ross retained the command of the USS Bellophoron in DS9. It's possible that, when promoted from captain, admirals are given the opportunity to retain command of their ships if they so wish. I doubt there's many things an admiral is required to do that would mean they'd have to be stationed on a starbase or a planet.
Was the Bellerophon supposed to be Ross's flagship? I was always under the impression it was just the ship ferrying everyone to the reception on Romulus.
 
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