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Spoilers Season 2 Trailers, Previews, and Promos

I just watched season 2 trailer.
At the beginning I was hopeful, Q appears.
But then the biggest character mistake happened, the Borg Queen.
Interest nearly completely lost.
 
Did you miss the queen being announced months ago? Or it it something else about her?

Oh me?
I've known for some time that "she" would be in 'Picard'.
I just don't like that the Borg is given identity or "face".
Before the Queen the Borg was just a faceless enemy and you could not negotiate with it.
Before the Queen the Borg says what it wants, if you will not hand it over, the Borg will just take it.
 
Oh me?
I've known for some time that "she" would be in 'Picard'.
I just don't like that the Borg is given identity or "face".
Before the Queen the Borg was just a faceless enemy and you could not negotiate with it.
Before the Queen the Borg says what it wants, if you will not hand it over, the Borg will just take it.

*shrugs* That ship sailed a quarter-century ago when Star Trek: First Contact was released.
 
The Star Trek Argentina page that posted the new trailer has now mysteriously disappeared...

(Are these trailer leaks and deletions a deliberate strategy to whip up interest? Or are they just that bad at controlling these things??)
This is a very similar one:

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Screencaps of the first one here:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/season-2-trailers.308279/page-44#post-14042022
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/season-2-trailers.308279/page-43#post-14041952

Find the differences ;)
(is that why they didn't release the first version?)

Apollo 11 and one of the kids, perhaps Robert, are gone
 
Yeah, that movie basically turned the Borg from faceless nearly unbeatable threat to something you could have a chat with and it might tell you how amazing the Borg is.

The Borg were meant as a horror concept within a SF universe - specifically body horror. The terrifying thing about them was they were an impersonal enemy who cared nothing about you as individuals, considering you the way that you might consider a bacterium in your bloodstream.

The First Contact fucked it all up by making them personified.
 
In the preview for "Penance" we hear Q say (presumably to Adam Soong) "I want you to remove an obstacle". I wonder what he meant by that.

And also what Q is doing talking to somebody other than Picard. Usually when Q pulls a stunt like this, he doesn't mess around with other parties, only Picard directly...
 
Hives have queens, so that's just a natural progression.

If any show neutered the Borg, it was Voyager, and even then the Borg should have been able to "adapt" right up until Endgame.
 
And also what Q is doing talking to somebody other than Picard. Usually when Q pulls a stunt like this, he doesn't mess around with other parties, only Picard directly...
Eh, we know Q deals with other Starfleet crews. We've seen him visit DS9 once, Voyager a few times, and a Lower Decks episode makes it clear he's visited the Cerritos at least twice with the implication's he's been there other times as well. So there's nothing out of character for him here.
 
^ No, what I meant was, when Q is messing with Picard (like he's doing here), he only talks TO Picard.

Q can of course visit anyone he wants, like he often did with Janeway. But if he's putting somebody through a trial, he just deals directly with them. He doesn't go behind their back.
 
^ No, what I meant was, when Q is messing with Picard (like he's doing here), he only talks TO Picard.

Q can of course visit anyone he wants, like he often did with Janeway. But if he's putting somebody through a trial, he just deals directly with them. He doesn't go behind their back.

I also thought it was weird Q was speaking to people other than Picard without Picard there in Picard's show, seemingly scheming. It'd be like if Q had gone and tipped off the Klingons that the Pasteur violated their borders.
 
Yeah, that movie basically turned the Borg from faceless nearly unbeatable threat to something you could have a chat with and it might tell you how amazing the Borg is.

Another way of thinking about it is this:

The Borg as originally depicted in "Q Who" and "The Best of Both Worlds" were essentially, from a literary perspective, monsters -- that is, they were plot devices that provided a threat to the characters, but had no real personality themselves. Their goal is just to kill you, nothing else. Like all monsters, they were scarier the less you knew about them; full knowledge of a monster and its abilities takes away the mystery and makes them less scary. That's why the mostly-unseen xenomorph in Alien is so much scarier than the fully-seen, fully-understood xenomorph of later movies like Alien vs. Predator or Alien: Covenant.

Star Trek: First Contact transformed the Borg from monsters into characters -- beings with motives, who have subjective points of view, experiences, and a culture of their own. A very different, very alien culture, but still a culture. People.

In a way, that's actually very true to the spirit of Star Trek -- because if they're people, then that introduces the possibility of peaceful coexistence or even cooperation. Star Trek is about many things, but one of the is the idea that "the Other" is not a monster, "the Other" is a person for whom you can experience empathy.

The Borg will never again be as scary as they were in "Q Who?" and "The Best of Both Worlds".... but they were never going to be as scary again anyway, no matter what, because the mere act of seeing them again robs them of that ability. The fact that the xenomorphs were never as scary again in later films in spite of never becoming true characters proves that; repetition of the monster removes audience fear. So if they can't be scary monsters anymore, they might as well become intimidating people.
 
And also what Q is doing talking to somebody other than Picard. Usually when Q pulls a stunt like this, he doesn't mess around with other parties, only Picard directly...
^ No, what I meant was, when Q is messing with Picard (like he's doing here), he only talks TO Picard.
Q can of course visit anyone he wants, like he often did with Janeway. But if he's putting somebody through a trial, he just deals directly with them. He doesn't go behind their back.
it's not a trial, he isn't responsible for the changes
 
I saw new Picard preview screencaps at Trekmovie and it shows Q talking to Adam Soong about getting rid of someone. I wonder if he meant Soji. The package she got looks suspicious.
 
Star Trek: First Contact transformed the Borg from monsters into characters --
The Borg will never again be as scary as they were in "Q Who?" and "The Best of Both Worlds".... but they were never going to be as scary again anyway, no matter what, because the mere act of seeing them again robs them of that ability.

Maybe the Borg was an enemy that could be used few times effectively and then it would have become just repeating the same over and over.
The Queen gave them character but robbed the Borg something, it wasn't an enemy anymore that you couldn't understand or talk to and it would respond other than "you will be assimilated".
One way of looking at the Borg would be to watch 'Q Who', 'The Best of Both Worlds 1 and 2' and 'I Borg'.
 
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