By your personal value judgement.
Not necessarilly by anybody else on the ST Production Staff.
I'm sure it's a huge advantage if the person who they're hiring already is a fan and knows their Trek.
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Not necessarilly by anybody else on the ST Production Staff.
I'm sure it's a huge advantage if the person who they're hiring already is a fan and knows their Trek.
Indeed. My judgement. And Meyer bears that out.
But he is one of many talents who work within ST Productions.
There are many others who work in that are incredibly familiar with all ST and are certified ST Geeks / Fans.
That's fine. That's not a requirement. A candidate is not more qualified because of fan status or degree of geek knowledge.
I guess we'll agree to disagree on this as well.
Indeed. I'm not sure how the true fan check box helps when writing is much more than knowledge.
I actually did not like that movie, and ID was much worse.
But even I credit it for moving the franchise from mothballs to an active duty status.
It's like writing for any domain specific subject matter.
You need to know the vocabulary / lingo, you need to know how the specific domain works, you need to know the intricacies, the history, the effects of various things. Then you need to know how any of your proposal for changes will affect the subject matter / domain at many levels be it (Micro, Mid, or Macro) levels.
You don't go writing for a Scientific Paper without knowing the intricacies of your subject matter or the proper formatting for writing science papers.
You don't go writing a programming manual without knowing about the programming subject matter and how good programming literature / guides / books / manuals are written.
You don't go writing a guide on brain surgery without domain specific knowledge and good writing on how to convey the tasks at hand to your expected readers who will read your guide.
The same with script writing for any genre show that his a historical legacy and a long franchise.
You need to know your franchise, you need to know the lingo / vocab, you need to know how the internal world building works, etc.
You don't need to be a fan. You definitely don't need to be a real fan or true fan. You just need to do your job.
It definitely shows up in your writing / work if you are a fan.
It definitely helps IMO. I can see it in the writing.
But if all you think you need are the talents of being any old writer and not being a fan of whatever show it is, then be my guest.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that as well.
It helps, yes. It is not a requirement, and shouldn't be used to exclude other writers who are not real fans.
Otherwise, they should just hire you a real fan writer.
Excepting a few recent episodes of Discovery and the entirety of Prodigy (which I intend to catch up with) I have seen every episode of Star Trek, many multiple times.
I know my dilithium from my duranium. I know which show has phasers and which has phase pistols. I can recite registry numbers of ships.
I'm a fan.
My wife has seen perhaps 5 episodes of TOS and 1 episode of TNG. She doesn't know a Tellarite from an Andorian and would struggle to remember the names of anyone on TNG, whilst probably being able to name half the characters on TOS. But she liked what she saw and wants to watch more.
She's a fan.
Sadly it never will but all this 'true' and real' fan bullshit should really be shown the door. There are people who are fans and people who are not fans and to what degree that person is a fan is wildly variable.
I know my dilithium from my duranium. I know which show has phasers and which has phase pistols. I can recite registry numbers of ships.
I'm a fan.
My wife has seen perhaps 5 episodes of TOS and 1 episode of TNG. She doesn't know a Tellarite from an Andorian and would struggle to remember the names of anyone on TNG, whilst probably being able to name half the characters on TOS. But she liked what she saw and wants to watch more.
She's a fan.
Sadly it never will but all this 'true' and real' fan bullshit should really be shown the door. There are people who are fans and people who are not fans and to what degree that person is a fan is wildly variable.
*applauds*
Strange New Worlds will take place at least a few years after: no reason we can't still have both.
Yeah, sorry. Online gatekeepers have ruined the phrase for the rest of us.
I'm not a writer, so that doesn't help.
I'm a technologist, a software programmer, & a Trekkie.
But that makes my speciality more similar to the Lore Keeper in Star Wars.
It's a more specific BtS role to keep continuity in tact.
Which is why "real fan" is b.s. If a writer is applying for the job then they should do their job well. Period. Fan status is helpful but not necessary, relevant or should be used as a judgment on a person's work.
And that's perfectly fine. Not everybody needs to be a "Hardcore / True / Real" fan of every specific genre show.
People can enjoy the shows that they want to watch and be a casual fan of ___ show.
It's perfectly ok.
Why don't you let the people who are hiring decide that.
We'll have to agree to disagree on what qualifications a person has / needs to land said job.
I'm not talking about a job, I'm talking about this:
Which is not to say that you are a gatekeeper or whatever. It seems to me you're a decent person. But recent replies to your posts illustrate that terms like 'true fan' and 'real fan' act as an unpleasant trigger for some, myself included. I'm certain you didn't intend offence. Nevertheless, these terms do offend.
I shall defer to your real fan wisdom.
It was never meant to offend. The term itself shouldn't offend anybody since it's a descriptor of knowledge attained about ___ subject.
(Hardcore / True / Real) fans of any ___ (genre / show / domain / product / activity) will always exist in society for literally everything.
That doesn't mean you should Gate Keep or exclude people from wanting to be part of it or to learn more about it.
You should always welcome them, with open arms, to come in and learn, enjoy, gain more knowledge about the subject matter at hand.
Nobody starts out with all the knowledge about ___ (genre / show / domain / product / activity).
It comes with time, experience, interactions, exposure, consumption of it, participating in it, etc.
And many of us are still learning about new things, even with all the vast experience in ___.
I know where my knowledge gaps are, I'm more than happy to admit to it.
That's why we have reference material or defer to domain experts.
And we NEVER stop learning. The moment you stop learning is the day you die. Only then, will you stop learning.
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