I'm going to have to do a re watch it's been that long.
HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams
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I'll probably have to do a partial rewatch as well or watch some summary videos.
It's been a while and I forgot a lot of the smaller details/nuances.
Same with the Orville, though that one isn't such a maze to begin with
I actually like Season 3 a lot more than Season 2.
Westworld Season 3 was definitely better than Season 2 because it didn't make the mistake of ending with an absolutely confusing and disconnected coda.
I want to rewatch the series ahead of Season 4, but don't want to start until we get a concrete and specific return date, which hopefully happens soon.
I want to rewatch the series ahead of Season 4, but don't want to start until we get a concrete and specific return date, which hopefully happens soon.
Yeah I couldn't settle with S3 at all, barely remember what happened it was that memorable. I loved the first season and liked the second so will give S4 a chance but if it doesn't grab me in the first few episodes I might bail. Has that Lost NuBSG vibe of them making it up as they go.
^ You might feel like Jonah and Lisa are only making stuff up as they go, but you're wrong.
It's been well-documented that the series went on a self-imposed production hiatus during the middle of Season 1 and that Jonah and Lisa used said hiatus as both an opportunity to fully complete the scripts for the first season without the additional pressures of simultaneous filming and to map out a complete narrative direction for the series in full, ultimately culminating with the development of a 5-season plan.
It's been well-documented that the series went on a self-imposed production hiatus during the middle of Season 1 and that Jonah and Lisa used said hiatus as both an opportunity to fully complete the scripts for the first season without the additional pressures of simultaneous filming and to map out a complete narrative direction for the series in full, ultimately culminating with the development of a 5-season plan.
The first season was the only good season. The second season believed its own hype and tried to outdo the first season in terms of twists and surprises, while the third season was extremely simple and straight forward, with the only surprise being not that big of a deal.
I recall very different stories about why that hiatus happened
Besides, every mystery box show claims they have it all planned out. They all lie. They sometimes have vague notions of where they are going, but often throw most of it out the window as they go, depending on what they are finding is working on the show, what isn't, cast changes, writer changes, audience reception, network notes, critical reception etc.
Babylon 5 is one show that comes to mind that seems to have followed a plan all the way through.I recall very different stories about why that hiatus happened
Besides, every mystery box show claims they have it all planned out. They all lie. They sometimes have vague notions of where they are going, but often throw most of it out the window as they go, depending on what they are finding is working on the show, what isn't, cast changes, writer changes, audience reception, network notes, critical reception etc.
Even so JMS had to adjust when O'Hare quit the show after the first season.
I guess I'm the only person who genuinely enjoyed the third season.
Babylon 5 is the only one that can come close to actually making the longterm plan claim and even JMS had to make a lot of adjustments along the way due to cast changes (not just O'Hare, but also Andrea Thompson and Claudia Christensen), WB mandates, and the expectation of cancelation.
Even as a big defender of LOST, I have to agree with this.
Babylon 5 is the only one that can come close to actually making the longterm plan claim and even JMS had to make a lot of adjustments along the way due to cast changes (not just O'Hare, but also Andrea Thompson and Claudia Christensen), WB mandates, and the expectation of cancelation.
TV is just too collaborative and long form for a true, multi season arc with no changes occurring. Writers have to be flexible. They can have long term goals but writing out a full 5 year story in advance and expecting to stick to it word for word just isn't very likely to ever happen. Can't say it's impossible, because nothing is impossible, but
. It doesn't even happen with novels very often, if you look at original story plans vs final products.Michael Hirst probably came close with Vikings as well, he is the only credited writer on the show until the final season, like JMS on B5. And he said in the first season that he planned on switching generations partway through. But even then you can definitely see course corrections on the show as it went on.
I think he planned to kill Ragnar at the end of season 1 though, so he actually changed a hell of a lot from his original concept.TV is just too collaborative and long form for a true, multi season arc with no changes occurring. Writers have to be flexible. They can have long term goals but writing out a full 5 year story in advance and expecting to stick to it word for word just isn't very likely to ever happen. Can't say it's impossible, because nothing is impossible, but
Michael Hirst probably came close with Vikings as well, he is the only credited writer on the show until the final season, like JMS on B5. And he said in the first season that he planned on switching generations partway through. But even then you can definitely see course corrections on the show as it went on.
Everything that was reported about the Season 1 production hiatus that came from credible and reputable sources was consistent in identifying said hiatus as having been self-imposed by the production and HBO based on a need to complete scripts without the added pressures of filming simultaneously, with Jonah and Lisa additionally revealing that the hiatus had also provided them with the opportunity to craft a broad-strokes 5-year narrative plan.
Lol here he is again believing "reputable" sources that use official studio press releases for their info.
Frankly if its all planned out that makes it worse. I can forgive Lost because they never quite knew how long they had left to tell the story.
Maybe it's just the world, I loved the cowboy aesthetic of the first season and parts of the second, but the third just spent too much time in the real world which was just another generic future America which wasn't that interesting. Plus maybe I'm just all 'robots are people too''d out
Maybe it's just the world, I loved the cowboy aesthetic of the first season and parts of the second, but the third just spent too much time in the real world which was just another generic future America which wasn't that interesting. Plus maybe I'm just all 'robots are people too''d out
