it has most of my favorite episodes from Voyager. Equinox 2, Fury (yes, I like fury), Tinker Tennor, Pathfinder, Unimatrix 0
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Right, I know what Mad Men was I was just curious what exactly he wanted to “retcon” out as examples of that in Star Trek. Just generically saying that casts a wider net than I think is necessary. He’s explained now that it’s largely the treatment of women. But he could have been talking about the style of furniture or design of the ship, etc…
The Janice Lester thing I always took to mean Kirk didn’t have room in his heart for both a woman and his career. I mean, Carol basically says that’s why she took David and left. But I do concede that you could interpret it the other way if you wanted too.
I don’t think retconing out micro mini skirts and beehive hairdos really solves anything either. To me stuff like that is just silly relic stuff “it was the 2260’s man, you had to be there”. It was the style of the time for better or worse. Like the the shaggy hair, sideburns, open collars and McCoys super medallion in TMP or the super 80’s feathered hair of cast members in the early days of TNG.
As far as the larger more encompassing topic of women in Star Trek that’s just a whole other ball of wax that needs its own thread.
I'm not advocating for any of that to be retconned because fashions come and go. Those things are cyclical. For example, even though I'm not too keen on what I've seen of the SNW look (for the 23rd Century, I prefer the look of DSC Seasons 1-2 and the TOS Movies), I understand why they're making it look more like TOS. So, even though it's not my preferred look, I'm not going to complain about it.
Social progress is a different story though. I think Star Trek's social progress should always be ahead of ours. Even the earliest set Star Trek series is 130 years from now. If things don't get better or even backslide, then that's not exactly my definition of an "optimistic future".
I want the world I'll leave to be better than the one I came into.
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and I see it as a type of mirror. But I don’t think either view is wrong.
At least with TOS it’s about striving to be better. Acknowledging that progress has been or is being made. But still a lot of ways to go. A lot of times, progress is 2 steps forward, 1 step back. You can see that in society today. And in my view the future TOS projects, things are still like that.
That's not controversial, that's Objective Fact!
One Small Step, Blink of an Eye, Memorial, The Haunting of Deck Twelve....
Season 6 of VOY is the series' best.
Social ideals also change. I mean if we could show someone from the victorian era our society, they might pick up on different things than what we would consider 'progress' since then. Similarly, I would expect some of the norms and worldviews within the Trek universe to not be entirely comprehensible to us.
I think it's the beginning of the end. Too many lukewarm episodes, including those awful Holodeck ones.
Season 5 was the pinnacle for me. In fact, I like it so much I think Equinox should have been a two-hour episode to close out the season.
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I'd agree that something about season 6 seems off. Kate Mulgrew's performance shifts to make Janeway more of the bipolar caricature she's all too often depicted as, away from the much more nuanced performance she gives in earlier years. I can only assume this reflected the problems behind the scenes, and the fact that she was dissatisfied with her role increasingly boiling down to "tell Seven she's wonderful" or "tell someone else that Seven is wonderful".
VOYAGER season 6 feels off because it's the bipolar season of the franchise in terms of quality of episodes.
You go from pretty good to excellent to mediocre to great to horrible to excellent to atrocious to terrible to great to ending on horrible.
You go from pretty good to excellent to mediocre to great to horrible to excellent to atrocious to terrible to great to ending on horrible.
I can't think of a single episode of Voyager I'd brand "excellent". DS9 had a couple. Enterprise had a very small handful. But the best Voyager could manage was the occasional "pretty good, actually". And none of those were in season six.
"Blink of an Eye" may be peak VOY. It is excellent.
Interesting. I saw sparks flying the moment they met.
Controversial Opinion: I don't mind that they cut the line exchange of dialogue talking about Sulu getting command of the Excelsior in TWOK. I'll say what I said over on YouTube where they showed the restored audio of the scene: "I see why they cut that line. It was too chatty and slowed down the momentum of the scene. They're on their way to the Enterprise, the shuttle pod docks, they board, end of scene."
George Takei's using William Shatner as a scapegoat. It looks like a decision Nick Meyer made. I would've made it too.
George Takei's using William Shatner as a scapegoat. It looks like a decision Nick Meyer made. I would've made it too.
"SURVIVAL INSTINCT", "TINKER TENOR DOCTOR SPY", "ONE SMALL STEP", "BLINK OF AN EYE", and "MEMORIAL" would like to have a word with you.
Is "Someone to Watch Over Me" in Season 6? Add that one to the list.
Season 5
Thanks. Feels like a Season 6.
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