Dal’s reaction to the Kobayashi Maru was not to risk the ship to save a bunch of strangers. He only relented when the crew mutinied. He seems unlikely to go after Chakotay and crew unless forced to.
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What Dal took from the Kobayashi simulation was that he NEEDS to listen to his crew -which was near the end of the episode (but before the reveal). Once the lesson set in, he was going to acquiesce to his crew request in order to consider going to Federation.
After the last episode reveal I also thought this episode will be dealing with the kids trying to at least create a plan with Holo-Janeway to rescue Chakotay and his crew (and maybe initially Dal having a bit of a 'heated' discussion with holo-Janeway on whether looking for Chakotay was a good idea or not).
It kinda feels as this episode put that on hold too abruptly and I think more needed to be done to flesh it out as opposed to Janeway studying the recording herself.
Its possible now that Dal betrayed holo-Janeway's trust (as she said), he will attemp to make amends by suggesting to her they go and look for Chakotay and his crew to see if they can at least see what conclusively happened.
I imagine that seeing Drednock in that recorded transmission will send shivers down Dal's spine and he might end up reconsidering going after Chakotay after learning Drednock was already involved before.
Also... given how 'lethal' Drednock can be, I wonder if he actually killed Chakotay (I hope not), tried to take him prisoner (which is a possibility), or something else happened which may have resulted in Chakotay escaping Tars Lamora and hiding elsewhere in the DQ.
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Perhaps we have a "Year of Hell" situation?
The Diviner may be the REASON that he and Gwyn are the last of the VauN'aKat. If the Protostar has the ability to travel through time, he may be trying to reverse whatever it was that he did that led to his people's near-extinction.
The Diviner may be the REASON that he and Gwyn are the last of the VauN'aKat. If the Protostar has the ability to travel through time, he may be trying to reverse whatever it was that he did that led to his people's near-extinction.
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This is probably a stupid question, but...
Assuming the Protostar did travel in time, has it actually done it yet?
Meaning, has the version of the ship that's native to 2383 been launched? There's the version that was stranded in the past, and which the kids found, but as of now, is there a version of the ship that has NOT yet been launched and is fated to travel back? Or has that already happened?
Assuming the Protostar did travel in time, has it actually done it yet?
Meaning, has the version of the ship that's native to 2383 been launched? There's the version that was stranded in the past, and which the kids found, but as of now, is there a version of the ship that has NOT yet been launched and is fated to travel back? Or has that already happened?
If we go by USS Defiant, VOY and Prometheus registry numbers (aka, the gaps between them), then the Protostar seems like was actually built and launched by 2380-2381 (9 to 10 years after VOY was lost).
Whether its been already thrown back in time by 2383 (when Prodigy is taking place)... we don't know, but it seems like it very well may have been.
Given its advanced Proto-core/Warp, and the fact Chakotay was seen as captain, its likely he was originally sent to the DQ to either render aid or conduct a training mission with his cadets onboard.
The Protostar then encountered a temporal anomaly shortly after leaving Federation space and ended up over 20 years in the past.
You cannot use registry to determine launch, they’re too inconsistent
Watch the flashback again, it gave a stardate along side the 17 years ago. That stardate puts the flashback in 2366 when comparing to other known star dates of that range. The creators of the show have said prodigy is set in 2383, 2383 - 17 = 2366
The Protostar clearly time travelled at some point.
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Not quite. The registries do follow a pattern. The Defiant has a lower registry vs say VOY, and it makes sense it would have been made earlier... the dialogue certainly suggested that... its just that the ship itself was put on hold in terms of active use because of engine issues (and Sisko decided to use the ship because its overpowered) in his search for the Founders.
The USS Prometheus has a higher registry vs VOY, and was seen in use in the 4th Season.
It seems to me that if we go by the registries, SF is making just over 200 ships per year in the 24th century (either that or the NCC and NX registries are separate and follow their own developmental timeline... and if they do, that would mean that NCC ships range in over 70 thousand by the time VOY launched... and same by the time Prometheus was launched - The Dominion War could have accelerated this curve though as ship losses would result in new ships to be built and probably at accelerated rates too... so, the Protostar could have been built anywhere between 2374 to 2381.
Enter the Protostar, and the series takes place in 2383.
VOY returned from the DQ in 2378. Janeway was promoted to admiral by 2379 (more than enough time for SF to make a holo advisor out of her and install her on the Protostar).
Its EASY to think SF would have constructed and launched the Protostar by 2380 or 2381, and then appoint Chakotay as its captain. At some point in 2381 or 2382 for example, the ship could have easily encountered a temporal anomaly and got thrown over 20 years into the past.
I posted this elsewhere, then saw this thread so I’ll repost here! My theory:
The Protostar begins construction as part of Project Pathfinder.
Voyager arrives home early, travelling 70,000 lightyears in just 7 years thanks to numerous transwarp and advanced FTL technology that it brings home to share with the Federation.
The Protostar is completed and refitted using this new tech, allowing the Federation to venture further and deeper into the Delta Quadrant than ever before without the risk of being stranded again like Voyager.
it’s launched around 2381 or 82 with Captain Chakotay and Hologram Janeway and a skeleton crew on a test run.
Something goes awry, and they fly through an anomaly during Proto warp, causing a snafu with time and space. They are stranded somewhere in time with the Diviner and the other Vau N’akat, who hijack the ship and modify it with their own computer code for unknown nefarious purposes that would allow for their species’ “salvation.” Maybe turn it into a warship(?)
Before they can do so, the ship is lost again — perhaps due to the efforts of Chakotay using what he knows went wrong the first time.
This time, the anomaly sends it back into the past to around 2360s without a crew. The Diviner follows but loses track of the ship, and spends decades looking for whatever they loaded onto it and a newfound hatred of the Federation thanks to Chakotay.
The Protostar begins construction as part of Project Pathfinder.
Voyager arrives home early, travelling 70,000 lightyears in just 7 years thanks to numerous transwarp and advanced FTL technology that it brings home to share with the Federation.
The Protostar is completed and refitted using this new tech, allowing the Federation to venture further and deeper into the Delta Quadrant than ever before without the risk of being stranded again like Voyager.
it’s launched around 2381 or 82 with Captain Chakotay and Hologram Janeway and a skeleton crew on a test run.
Something goes awry, and they fly through an anomaly during Proto warp, causing a snafu with time and space. They are stranded somewhere in time with the Diviner and the other Vau N’akat, who hijack the ship and modify it with their own computer code for unknown nefarious purposes that would allow for their species’ “salvation.” Maybe turn it into a warship(?)
Before they can do so, the ship is lost again — perhaps due to the efforts of Chakotay using what he knows went wrong the first time.
This time, the anomaly sends it back into the past to around 2360s without a crew. The Diviner follows but loses track of the ship, and spends decades looking for whatever they loaded onto it and a newfound hatred of the Federation thanks to Chakotay.
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The leak accurately predicted Nandi which unsettles me a little because...
revenge and destroying the Federation.
Come on...
Come on...The Rubidoux NCC-12109 is active in 2380 with a very low number, more importantly, its replacement - the Solvang NCC-12101 - is not only even lower but definitely launched in that year, being brand-new is part of a joke in the LDS episode "No Small Parts". The Merced NCC-87075 seems too high for the time period, several vessels from "Conspiracy" (TNG) are in the same registry range (NCC-85xxx to 87xxx) despite existing in 2364. It should be noted though that those "Conspiracy" ships only appear on display graphics and their numbers are difficult to identify.
Shenzhou NCC-1227 - "old" and with outdated equipment in 2249
Enterprise NCC 1701 - launched in 2245
Discovery NCC 1031 - considered new in 2256
If we go by the registries, Starfleet has built 2,000 starships by 2285 throughout its entire history (Excelsior NX-2000, then NCC-2000). However, from Disco's late 2nd season we know they operate 7,000 ships, ACTIVE ships which means destroyed or decommissioned ones are not counted. One third of the fleet gets lost during the Klingon War, therefore there are up to 10,500 Starfleet vessels before the war depending on replenishment.
The registry numbers are not reliable.
Some of Star Trek’s greatest antagonists have an axe to grind with the Federation. I wouldn’t worry about that.
That's the point, it happened too many times and became a cliché.
Maybe, but I would say “villain wants to disrupt the hero’s way of life” is a bit broad to be an issue unto itself. It all comes down to specific execution.
I realised since this thread has a spoiler tag, I don't need to insert spoiler marks myself?
I wouldn't say "all" but yes, the execution can still make a lot of difference.
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I think a villain "determined to get revenge for [their] people and destroy the Federation" is quite specific, it's basically Nero or partially Khan, Shinzon,...
I wouldn't say "all" but yes, the execution can still make a lot of difference.
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Would leaked information fall under the spoiler thread category?
I would think that covers the show itself, officials ads, episode descriptions, etc., but I’m not sure that leaked info. would fall under that banner.
I would think that covers the show itself, officials ads, episode descriptions, etc., but I’m not sure that leaked info. would fall under that banner.
"Reader beware" in this case, I'd think.
I’m not sure there’s much they can do to rescue Chakotay until they uncover more clues beyond one garbled transmission. They know no more than we do, and there’s far more pressing issues with the Diviner, why he wants the ship, what he did to it previously when adding computer code from Solum, and why he wants it so badly now.
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Incidentally, the Protostar being boarded by Drednok and attacking Chakotay (and whoever else may have been part of the original crew) is in fact connected to the Diviner.
The vessel itself is Federation and assigned to Chakotay... therefore, learning more about what happened to Chakotay and Protostar's original mission would have given the kids more clues about why the Diviner wants the ship so bad.
Kids shows should be granted some latitude in utilizing cliches. It’s not a cliche to a nine year old.
Well, now we know another one of the three different versions of Janeway Kate Mulgrew hinted she would be playing on Prodigy: evil(?) Vau N’Akat Holo Janeway!
If the murder planet hallucination Janeway from Dream Catcher and Terror Firma counts, that may be all three we’ll get this season. If the murder planet faux Janeway wasn’t one of the three, then I suppose we’ll see the real Vice Admiral Janeway eventually as well.
I guess we’ll know for certain after the second set of 10 episodes drop later in the year, unless we see Vice Admiral Janeway in the 2-part midseason finale conclusion next week.
If the murder planet hallucination Janeway from Dream Catcher and Terror Firma counts, that may be all three we’ll get this season. If the murder planet faux Janeway wasn’t one of the three, then I suppose we’ll see the real Vice Admiral Janeway eventually as well.
I guess we’ll know for certain after the second set of 10 episodes drop later in the year, unless we see Vice Admiral Janeway in the 2-part midseason finale conclusion next week.
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