What pain?
Even more surprisingly: neither did Tuvok or Neelix.
Thomas Riker would like a word with you...
You must've hated Endgame...
That would fill in a plot hole, but do nothing for the horrible "acting" of said Gorgon.
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What pain?
Even more surprisingly: neither did Tuvok or Neelix.
Thomas Riker would like a word with you...
You must've hated Endgame...
That would fill in a plot hole, but do nothing for the horrible "acting" of said Gorgon.
Admiral Insaneway goes back in time and erases whole generations from existence to save, like, two people she was close friends with.
Somehow, this is supposed to be a happy ending.
It's a better series finale than ENT's and by a mile but yeah, it's not exactly Trek's shining moment when it comes to repercussions for the original timeline and those affected by its sudden change.
Three people, but you're right. Janeway's actions were appalling. And not only that, but "Endgame" was just an inferior rehashing of "The Visitor", "Timeless", and "Year of Hell".
It would be hard to imagine a series finale worse than ENT's. As a midseason episode, it would have been passable fanservice. As a farewell...
The only way "TATV...(ENT)" would have worked was as a midseason sweeps week stunt episode. As a series finale it is one of the franchise's all-time worst moments and the biggest disappointment in 21st century Trek up until, well, the worst the new shows have to offer.
It's telling that Jonathan Frakes, who popped up on TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, PIC, LD, and behind the camera on DIS... freely admits that he probably shouldn't have been there.
But I agree, had that episode aired, (with appropriate adjustments to allow for the time change), say between the Klingon Augments and the Mirror Universe, it would have been a decent piece of fanservice.
"Hey, kids, wanna see how the 24th century viewed the adventures of the first Enterprise crew in the 22nd century? Tune in next week for a special episode guest-starring Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis!"
That might have worked and the episode could have gone down with a lot of affection. But no, they had to do it as the series finale and hijack the last episode of one series to pay tribute to another one.
That might have worked and the episode could have gone down with a lot of affection. But no, they had to do it as the series finale and hijack the last episode of one series to pay tribute to another one.
I would take the worst of the newer Treks than TATV. I rarely get in to the whole "disrespect" of fictional characters but TATV gets pretty darn close, largely due to the unfortunate way it tries to shoehorn itself in to one of the best TNG episodes.
"TATV...(ENT)" was just a slap in the face of both the fans of the series and its cast. B&B knew better but they couldn't help themselves.
People will do anything for those they love, temporal prime directive be damned.
A farewell to the entire Berman era, no less!It would be hard to imagine a series finale worse than ENT's. As a midseason episode, it would have been passable fanservice. As a farewell...
Damn impressive of them to go around slapping the fans...
And it wasn't with their hands. 
Proof that the pen is mightier than the sword.
Which is exactly the reason I've never liked the episode "Epilogue" of Justice League Unlimited. It hijacks the season finale of JLU (which very possibly could've been the series finale, too) to show us an episode of Batman Beyond that doesn't have much to do with the Justice League. If I wanted to be watching another show, I'd just watch that other show.
I think TMP onwards was very keen to distance itself from the TOS aesthetic and pretty much from the start, TNG sort of backwards integrated the TMP aesthetic. If they'd used a movie-era bridge then TOS could have eventually been slipped canonically into a TOS -Verse or something. Along with TAS and the wacky comics for more fun.
I sort of got the impression that the way TOS looks is considered to be impressionistic. Zapping the TOS aesthetic into Relics canonically destroyed that notion, TOS era ships really did look like that. DS9 compounded it, then Enterprise followed on. Now fans opine that SNW should be filmed on 1960s set-replicas when the truth is SNW looks like a 'real' version of those early shows.
I don't know fella. Just musing. Don't even know if that makes much sense.
But a hero is supposed to be able to look beyond their personal desires. And in any other Star Trek episode, Janeway's actions from Endgame would be those of the villain who needs to be stopped.
If the future had been a truly nightmarish one, with, for example the Borg having taken over the whole galaxy or something like that, the plot might have worked. But from what we saw everybody was just doing fine.
Maybe. But in that aspect (choices made by the protagonist), Endgame was actually worse than TATV. At least Archer didn't casually destroy the lives and futures of his whole crew.
QUOTE: Damn impressive of them to go around slapping the fans...
TATV was done accidentally... they actually thought it would be a "valentine" to the fans (and it was dead flowers, chocolate Ex-lax, and a ring that turned our fingers green). There were times when I maintain they were deliberately jerking our chains.
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