Were you remembering when the Cerritos shed all her "outer hull" bits? Because now it's canon.....we saw it happen.
Though the idea of multiple layers, especially now with the programmable matter malarky, is actually not a bad idea.
How does Calypso happen?
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Were you remembering when the Cerritos shed all her "outer hull" bits? Because now it's canon.....we saw it happen.
Though the idea of multiple layers, especially now with the programmable matter malarky, is actually not a bad idea.
Might be that the material, under normal circumstances, just constantly renews itself when fired upon with energy weapons.
In that case, there may not be a need anymore for a sublayer.
32nd Century or no 32nd Century, I think the Discovery's makeover was really quick. And given that all the sets look the same, I have no problem buying that they just slapped a new exterior layer onto the Discovery, while making other additions underneath (explaining the slightly modified shape). It's like putting vinyl siding on an entire house after also adding a new porch. Continuing with the house analogy, they also put in new electrical sockets and brought everything up to code.
In comparison, I think the Refit Enterprise was like a flipped house. They gutted the original ship and basically built a new one around the framework. Discovery's refit and the Enterprise's refit couldn't have been more different.
In comparison, I think the Refit Enterprise was like a flipped house. They gutted the original ship and basically built a new one around the framework. Discovery's refit and the Enterprise's refit couldn't have been more different.
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I don't think Calypso was ever intended to be something they built towards, just a standalone story using existing sets. It'll be interesting what they do if they do link everything up. It certainly seems they're going that way. Why is Zora left "waiting" for her crew for 1000 years? Perhaps she becomes the overly attached girlfriend and a danger to everyone even with the best of intentions?
However they do it, it'll be as subtle as Worf after 11 lines of coke.
However they do it, it'll be as subtle as Worf after 11 lines of coke.
I'm at a place where I prefer that they don't try to explain, and leave that up to the fans and novel writers to wrangle with. Calypso remains a favorite story of mine, and won't require any subsequent hand-waving for me to feel it still exists in the same pretend space universe
Why would they alter the appearance back to the old way like that just to leave it sitting in space for a thousand years?
Obviously the real-world reason is that they didn't know exactly how Discovery was going to be upgraded and rechristened for 32nd century service, and they didn't have an updated CGI or practical model to work with for the Short Trek episode, so they just went with what they had.
Instead of coming up with elaborate reasons why it looks they way it did in-universe, we're probably just supposed to treat it like when aliens get a makeup upgrade and say that's how it was supposed to look all along and just ignore the differences.
Obviously the real-world reason is that they didn't know exactly how Discovery was going to be upgraded and rechristened for 32nd century service, and they didn't have an updated CGI or practical model to work with for the Short Trek episode, so they just went with what they had.
Instead of coming up with elaborate reasons why it looks they way it did in-universe, we're probably just supposed to treat it like when aliens get a makeup upgrade and say that's how it was supposed to look all along and just ignore the differences.
Pretty much this. What these DSC writers don't seem to understand is the concept of a 'pilot,' which is exactly what Calypso was: a pilot episode for the 3rd season. The thing with pilots, however, is that they're usually different from the rest of the series proper, and there's no need to go back and try to make that pilot 'fit' with the rest of the show which has undoubtedly changed considerably from that first episode. Did Babylon 5 try to shoehorn in a reason why Delenn looks so much more alien and androgynous in the pilot from her appearance in the rest of the series? No. So there's no real reason why they have to explain why the ship in Calypso looks the way it does, or why it's been sitting abandoned in a nebula for 1,000 years, or anything. They don't have to reference Calypso at all. But for some reason they feel the burning need to connect it. And whatever they come up with will be contrived and silly, because it was never meant to be connected in the first place.
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Funny you should say that after all the trouble Discovery and Short Treks went to to justify why Spock was more emotional in The Cage.
When did they do that? And what does that have to do with what I wrote?
The fans love Interconnectedness.
What fans love is entirely subjective.
No doubt, no doubt. But, in broad strokes what the money making trends showcase the Interconnectedness making a big splash.
Yeah, it's called small-universe syndrome, and its quite annoying.
But money making. Also, what is often called for in newer productions by extremely vocal fans.
You wrote that Discovery writers didn't seem to understand the concept of a pilot and how they don't need to be made to fit with the rest of the series, so I brought up the time that they tried to make the Original Series' pilot fit better by giving Spock an arc where he becomes more stoic and logical, and less likely to yell "THE WOMEN!" or giggle at plants. I guess that would support what you wrote, but I wouldn't say that they don't understand. More like they would occasionally disagree.
Personally I want to see Calypso connected up because it's an interesting mystery about Discovery's future. More interesting to me than anything else going on in the series right now in fact. I'm not saying I don't care about the latest threat to all life in the galaxy, but Calypso set up something very different and compelling and then didn't give me any answers. I want my answers already!
I'm sorry, has there been some kind of cost-analysis study taken of the ratio between writers using small-universe syndrome and high ratings/high returns?
What I asked was when did this happen, because I'm not aware of any story arc where Spock was once full of emotions and then becomes more logical. Did I miss something?
It's been a couple of years and the details are hazy but I do remember Spock going through an arc in Discovery season two which put him in a different place mentally by the end of it. And then Short Treks' Q&A showed him being a bit shouty when he first came aboard the Enterprise, like he was in The Cage.
I don't know if it matters, but the events of the Cage happen before Discovery 2nd Season. Spock has been on the ship awhile. I think the short trek Q&A is the first canonical day of Spock on the job aboard the Enterprise.
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