What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Vale]

I think Dukat should have had Damar's "redemption arc" - but with the twist he never really changed, only that he saw it advantageous to switch over to the other side. Then, he dies, and gets remembered as the hero of Cardassia - and the whole cast has to deal with it. Sometimes history makes heroes out of monsters after all.

That's an excellent idea, and both very Dukat and very DS9. Reminds me a bit of Michael Dobbs's "The Final Cut" (one of the novels the House of Cards TV series was based on).

 

[Sci]

Yes, but a sane bad guy. I harbour no illusions about whether Dukat was redeemable or not; he was a monster. However, the complex monster with relatable elements is much more interesting to me than the quasi-religious whackjob Dukat became. Prior to "Waltz" I looked forward to Dukat appearing, it gave the episodes an extra frisson; but after that he became boring.

I honestly don't think Dukat became insane. I think that choosing to serve the Pagh-wraiths in exchange for getting to rule over the ashes they leave is a choice that makes perfect sense given Dukat's lust for power. The guy spent his life obsessed with finding a way to dominate Bajor and make the Bajorans worship him for killing them; embracing their version of Satanism as an act of spite seems quite plausible to me.

 

[Vale]

I honestly don't think Dukat became insane. I think that choosing to serve the Pagh-wraiths in exchange for getting to rule over the ashes they leave is a choice that makes perfect sense given Dukat's lust for power. The guy spent his life obsessed with finding a way to dominate Bajor and make the Bajorans worship him for killing them; embracing their version of Satanism as an act of spite seems quite plausible to me.

"Sacrifice of Angels" and "Waltz" make it pretty clear that he lost his mind, at least for a time. While the end of season six and season seven show him regaining some functionality he's clearly only a shadow of his former self.

 

[Sci]

"Sacrifice of Angels" and "Waltz" make it pretty clear that he lost his mind, at least for a time.

He clearly suffered a mental health crisis, but I'm not convinced he was legally insane, nor that it persisted after "Waltz."

 

[fireproof78]

I wouldn't call that controversial, but...

It's all a matter of point of view and what you emphasize.

 

[cooleddie74]

That applies to everything in the franchise. As is commonly stated in this thread: to each their own.

 

[fireproof78]

That applies to everything in the franchise. As is commonly stated in this thread: to each their own.

Allow me to rephrase in a controversial opinion sort of way-visual continuity is OK, but when it is overemphasized in Star Trek it misses the point of the franchise.

Something like that To each their own.

 

[cooleddie74]

They should digitally insert the NX-01 into the TMP Rec Room alcove display since Will Decker says "all those vessels were called Enterprise." Past tense. Technically the NCC-1701 would still be around, just in her newfangled refitted form.

I'll just leave this here. Thanks, Star Trek Facebook Groups, for your creativity!

 

[Unicron]

The ringship Enterprise needs more love too.

 

[Paul755]

I’m all for putting the NX-01 in TMP but replace the ringship.

in fact, I kinda hope they do that as they work on the 4K version of the Directors Cut.

 

[dupersuper]

I’m all for putting the NX-01 in TMP but replace the ringship.

in fact, I kinda hope they do that as they work on the 4K version of the Directors Cut.

Aw, I like the ring ship.

 

[fireproof78]

The ring ship vanishing would be nice.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Plenty of room left in the timeline for the ring ship to go flying around in. It looks like what would happen if all the founding Federation planets teamed up to design a spaceship together. Then afterwards they thought "Okay, let's just copy the NX-01 instead from now on."

 

[Elias Vaughn]

They should remaster Enterprise and replace all exterior shots of the NX-01 with the Ringship.

Unpopular enough for you guys?

 

[cooleddie74]

Now we're cooking with warp plasma!

 

[Vale]

They should remaster Enterprise and replace all exterior shots of the NX-01 with the Ringship.

Unpopular enough for you guys?

Works for me. One of the few aspects of the production design in Enterprise I don't like is the external appearance of the ship.

 

[maneth]

I'm not claiming it's a great episode by any means, but I admit that I as a Riker fan have a soft spot for Shades of Gray, and another soft spot for a number of Wesley episodes that get a lot of hate.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

They should remaster Enterprise and replace all exterior shots of the NX-01 with the Ringship.

I'd buy that for a dollar. Literally.

 

[Commander Troi]

Hell, in the end, Dukat was just a mustache-twirling RKO villain. Of course, the same could be said of Kai Winn.

I saw Winn more as a politician.

 

[XCV330]

The ringship Enterprise needs more love too.

Yes. Yes it does.