Should ViacomCBS give up on a fourth movie and stick with Star Trek Television?
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Star Trek needs to take risks, like Discovery did with S1.
So, Star Trek needs to steer in to one man's narrow vision of Trek, whose statements around liking Trek involve the fact that he just preferred Shatner? I don't trust Tarantino with Trek at all. Too narrowly focused.
I like the Kelvin films very much and would love another one. I see ZERO reasons to "give up" on future films.
Even if it's Tarantino.
Look, I'm not a fan of his existing films, not by a long shot, but I do know that he's a huge Trek fan and that he knows the rules about how to operate in that area. I have faith in his ability to tell a Trek story that fans will accept and love. He wouldn't shit on the franchise, he'd treat it with care.
Even if it's Tarantino.
Look, I'm not a fan of his existing films, not by a long shot, but I do know that he's a huge Trek fan and that he knows the rules about how to operate in that area. I have faith in his ability to tell a Trek story that fans will accept and love. He wouldn't shit on the franchise, he'd treat it with care.
Yeah, because that sucked.
As long as it's not Kelvin...
The execution of DIS S1 was poor. Likely due to those in charge lacking the same fine eye to detail like you or I.
Tarantino would at least pay attention to the details in a Trek film.
It has nothing to do with whether the audience is smart or dumb. It has to do with CBS’s perception of said audience. And they’re going to assume that the audience will not be able to understand the difference between one universe and another. So they will either make it abundantly clear which universe the movie takes place in, or they will simply no longer make movies taking place in the KT.
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If it is Tarantino it would not be Kelvin. It would be his own interpretation of Shatner.
Reasonable. I expect this is the case.
Which details? Season one ended on a damp squib but I enjoyed it up to the mirror universe climax. The only detail left dangling was Lorca's tribble which was seeingly set up to out Tyler but then forgotten.
It's easy. They're played by different actors. Audiences these days are used to different continuities within the same franchise. It's much like DC's Arrowverse TV shows and the DCEU movies existing side by side. And sometimes you can even have a gimmicky multiverse-spanning story that includes encounters between different versions of the same character played by different actors.
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Just saying, if it was set 20 ,40 or even better 50 years prior to TOS, most of the complaints leveled at the show wouldn’t have come up. And the soft reboot of sending the crew to the 32nd century would not have been necessary
Set 40 or 50 years prior, and the current Discovery crew could have been a part of the Kelvin movies. Maybe in a “Yesterday’s Discovery” kind of way.
I would support a new film, and I did like the Kelvin crew, but with each passing year I think the interest withers. While I really liked the 2009 film, eventually found good things to say about Into Darkness, and was just whelmed (though mostly for the good) with Beyond, the Kelvin films didn't do that well over the stretch. I don't think there's a lot of mass interest in bringing the Kelvin crew back.
I'm fine with Trek sticking to the small screen, though I would like to see more connections between Kurtzman television Trek and the Kelvin films. The little tease we got in DISCO last year was nice and I would like to see more things along that line. In flashbacks I would like to see USS Kelvin style uniforms on Strange New Worlds or whenever the other series have to revisit that time. I also would like to see the Kelvin style Klingons in Kurtzman Trek.
I agree a lot with what Federation Historian was saying about the setting of DISCO though I would go in the other direction. If they had set DISCO between TOS and TNG, during the literary "Lost Era" a lot of gripes about canon would've evaporated. That's a largely unexplored time on screen. Granted, some would still complain perhaps about how more high-tech the DISCO technology was, and there would be some griping still about the look of the Klingons, but I don't think as much, because we still got a lot of space to explore why/how DISCO Klingons look different, or explain them away as an offshoot or something along that line.
Setting DISCO in The Lost Era can still have Burnham be Sarek's daughter. We just didn't hear about her because either she was still a child during TOS or the movies (and Spock was too busy dying and coming back to life to stop to mention his adopted sister) or even better, she was adopted sometime after The Undiscovered Country. The Klingon War thing could be a major sticking point, then again I'm sure people can find ways around that. We know from TNG that the Klingons and Federation weren't fast friends even after The Undiscovered Country so there might be a way to slip a quick war somewhere in that almost hundred years between series. Or even shift from the Klingons to the Cardassians and depict the Federation-Cardassian War.
I'm fine with Trek sticking to the small screen, though I would like to see more connections between Kurtzman television Trek and the Kelvin films. The little tease we got in DISCO last year was nice and I would like to see more things along that line. In flashbacks I would like to see USS Kelvin style uniforms on Strange New Worlds or whenever the other series have to revisit that time. I also would like to see the Kelvin style Klingons in Kurtzman Trek.
I agree a lot with what Federation Historian was saying about the setting of DISCO though I would go in the other direction. If they had set DISCO between TOS and TNG, during the literary "Lost Era" a lot of gripes about canon would've evaporated. That's a largely unexplored time on screen. Granted, some would still complain perhaps about how more high-tech the DISCO technology was, and there would be some griping still about the look of the Klingons, but I don't think as much, because we still got a lot of space to explore why/how DISCO Klingons look different, or explain them away as an offshoot or something along that line.
Setting DISCO in The Lost Era can still have Burnham be Sarek's daughter. We just didn't hear about her because either she was still a child during TOS or the movies (and Spock was too busy dying and coming back to life to stop to mention his adopted sister) or even better, she was adopted sometime after The Undiscovered Country. The Klingon War thing could be a major sticking point, then again I'm sure people can find ways around that. We know from TNG that the Klingons and Federation weren't fast friends even after The Undiscovered Country so there might be a way to slip a quick war somewhere in that almost hundred years between series. Or even shift from the Klingons to the Cardassians and depict the Federation-Cardassian War.
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If they sent Discovery's crew to the future to "fix continuity" they'd never be making Strange New Worlds, which is 110% carrying on Discovery's reimagining of the 23rd century.
I somehow doubt Tarantino's movie would have been preoccupied with 100% authentic 1960's sets and props.
Except for the Klingons, of course. They and their ships will be reimagined yet again for SNW.
Considering that there was in fact a USS Discovery mentioned in TNG, that would have made sense.
I don’t think anyone wanted the 23rd century to be reimagined though, at least the way DIS did it. Considering that that was what the Kelvin series was supposed to do. Update the special effects yes, but DIS went too far.
And if Tarantino’s plot is a remake of “A Piece Of The Action”, then I don’t imagine that much time will be spent on starships at all.
Honestly, setting Discovery in the 23rd century was a misstep because it is so hallowed. The era cannot be reinterpreted without continuity becoming a weapon against it. Even the Kelvin films never escaped, saved for grudging approval.
Definitely no. Tarantino will do his view of Trek, and what he likes, details be damned.
I did. Kelvin did a great job and I welcome the DSC changes rather than the uniform look that was often portrayed as the TOS era for 20 years in fandom.
I would have preferred that they used an updated version of The Cage uniforms and color scheme, instead of feeling like Enterprise’s long-lost cousin. It would have easier to be immersed in the “reimagining”.
If the idea was for the crew to dress similarly to Garth of Izar and point out that they were of the same era, then something clearly got lost in the messaging.
I would have preferred a little bit different fabric, but a similar color and more defined colors. If the uniforms had more distinct colors then I would have had an easier time with it. But, as it stands, I am more tolerant of it than others in terms of it fitting in to the broader history.
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Although the look is slightly different, IMO the Kelvin movies and Discovery reimagined things about the same amount. In Alex Kurtzman's own words, "Discovery brings the look and feel of our Star Trek movies to television"
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