News Variety Reports Robert Pattinson is the new Batman

[Allyn Gibson]

On the other hand, if they're giving away the possibility that Thomas Wayne was bad in the trailer, that suggests it might turn out to be false. After all, this is supposed to be a detective story, and in detective stories, whatever theory is presented early on is likely to be a red herring.

Shades of The Brave and the Bold #184 -- Batman learns that Thomas Wayne was involved with the mob, which leads him to renounce his mission as Batman, and the Huntress from Earth-2 has to find evidence that it's all fake, which it is, and everything is good again.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I just love that we can have a young, angsty Batman doing vigilante shit with serial killers in a relatively grounded scenario here, an over-the-top Batman fighting space aliens and demigods with the Justice League just a year ago, an angsty teenage Batboy in the bananas world of Gotham and a bitter twisted old Batman making child soldiers out of his Robins in Titans. All in the space of a year or two. Oh, and retro 1989 Batman is coming back in a movie next year.

I guess having the excuse of a multiverse gave them tons of leeway to interpret the character in a ton of different ways. It's pretty awesome.

 

[Christopher]

I guess having the excuse of a multiverse gave them tons of leeway to interpret the character in a ton of different ways. It's pretty awesome.

There have been different interpretations of Batman coexisting at the same time for a while now. For instance, Nolan's Batman Begins came out when Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, and The Batman were all airing, all radically different continuities and stylistic approaches. Nobody needed a "multiverse" to have permission to do different versions of a work of fiction; they just did different versions. The multiverse is just a currently trendy handwave for what's been done all along.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Yeah, not that it should be necessary but I like the creative license it gives to explore such avenues.

It also helps with people that need to know if "X is canon". Yes it is.

 

[Samurai8472]

And yet WB/CW can't use Batman on their TV shows because they want to focus on the movie Batman

They can go crazy with multiple Bruce Waynes on media but not Batman

Titans
Gotham
And Batwoman( the likeness of Bruce Wayne)

 

[STEPhon IT]

So, will we soon see a Batman: Into the Bat-verse movie?

 

[Christopher]

It also helps with people that need to know if "X is canon". Yes it is.

I'm the opposite. I don't like it when alternate fictional interpretations are handwaved as some kind of parallel timelines in the same reality, because that rarely makes any kind of sense. For instance, what are the odds that in every timeline where Krypton explodes, Jor-El is always exactly too late to send more than one baby to safety, and the Kents are always in exactly the right place to take that baby in, and Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, and all the others all happen to have been born in sync no matter what year it is? It's silly. Just let different stories be different stories. They're not real, so it doesn't matter if they fit together.

 

[theenglish]

The Wayne's having some kind of secret doesn't mean that Wayne is working with the mob or doing something immoral, even if he somehow got involved with them. In a city like Gotham, there are many ways that Wayne could have gotten involved with the criminal element, either as a doctor or as a businessman depending on which path the writers take. From the trailer though, I am wondering if the movie is setting up a Court of Owls style organization.

 

[Kor]

I'm the opposite. I don't like it when alternate fictional interpretations are handwaved as some kind of parallel timelines in the same reality, because that rarely makes any kind of sense. For instance, what are the odds that in every timeline where Krypton explodes, Jor-El is always exactly too late to send more than one baby to safety, and the Kents are always in exactly the right place to take that baby in, and Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, and all the others all happen to have been born in sync no matter what year it is? It's silly. Just let different stories be different stories. They're not real, so it doesn't matter if they fit together.

In the case of DC, there was already an "in-universe" mechanism for all that in the comics, with the parallel Earths-One/1/A/[insert arbitrary name here]/etc., and then Hypertime, 52 Earths, or whatever. There are probably lots of realities where those elements of Superman's timeline don't come together "just right" like that. We just happen see the ones where they generally do. Maybe in most of them Kal-El's ship ends up engulfed in Krypton's explosion. Or it launches and then later on one little thing goes off track and Kal-El's spaceship lands in the Soviet Union or something.

Kor

 

[F. King Daniel]

And yet WB/CW can't use Batman on their TV shows because they want to focus on the movie Batman

They can go crazy with multiple Bruce Waynes on media but not Batman

Titans
Gotham
And Batwoman( the likeness of Bruce Wayne)

Didn't we get Batman in the last episode of Gotham and the end of season one Titans (admittedly in a dream sequence)? Although admittedly none of the shows have him as Batty as the focus.

 

[Kor]

Apparently TPTB don't want to use Batman as the main character of a live-action television show. So for TV the mantle of dark, brooding costumed hero goes to Arrow and Batwoman.

Kor

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Thanks to viral marketing, you can match wits with the Riddler: rataalada.com

 

[Samurai8472]

Interview with the cast and crew and Reeves. Movie is clocking in at 3 hours.

https://www.moviemaker.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-detective-story/2/

Matt Reeves: “The Batman is a Horror, Thriller, Action movie with a Detective narrative at its core”

 

[Kor]

... with a Detective narrative at its core”
...

It would definitely be nice to have some actual detecting for a change, since we didn't actually see much of that in previous Batman movies, and he's supposed to be "The World's Greatest Detective™."

I'm kind of having deja vu here... I think I made a similar comment before.

Kor

 

[Commander Troi]

I'm pleased they all say this will be a detective story, but I worry there's too much going on. IMO, one of the biggest missteps some of the movies have made is having too many members of the Rogues Gallery. Also, I'm with @Christopher on the vengeance thing. And Kurt Cobain as a model for Bruce? Kravitz's Catwoman is the most interesting character in the trailers so far for me.

I hope I'm wrong and it's terrific. But I'll wait to see it on HBO Max.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It would definitely be nice to have some actual detecting for a change, since we didn't actually see much of that in previous Batman movies, and he's supposed to be "The World's Greatest Detective™."

I'm kind of having deja vu here... I think I made a similar comment before.

Kor

It's a detective story...spends two hours kicking the crap out of people.

 

[Aragorn]

It's a detective story...spends two hours kicking the crap out of people.

Robert Pattinson isn't playing Bruce Wayne, he's playing a young Andy Sipowicz.

 

[fireproof78]

The horror part diminishes my interest a bit.

 

[JD]

There have been different interpretations of Batman coexisting at the same time for a while now. For instance, Nolan's Batman Begins came out when Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, and The Batman were all airing, all radically different continuities and stylistic approaches. Nobody needed a "multiverse" to have permission to do different versions of a work of fiction; they just did different versions. The multiverse is just a currently trendy handwave for what's been done all along.

I thought Teen Titans, and Justice League Unlimited were both part of the same universe?

I'm the opposite. I don't like it when alternate fictional interpretations are handwaved as some kind of parallel timelines in the same reality, because that rarely makes any kind of sense. For instance, what are the odds that in every timeline where Krypton explodes, Jor-El is always exactly too late to send more than one baby to safety, and the Kents are always in exactly the right place to take that baby in, and Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, and all the others all happen to have been born in sync no matter what year it is? It's silly. Just let different stories be different stories. They're not real, so it doesn't matter if they fit together.

I love how that multiverses are become a trend, it's a quick and easy way to have different versions of the characters meet, fight, and then eventually team up.

Didn't we get Batman in the last episode of Gotham and the end of season one Titans (admittedly in a dream sequence)? Although admittedly none of the shows have him as Batty as the focus.

Yes, and Bruce went to be a recurring character in the second and third seasons of Titans. Or does that not count since he never appeared in the Batsuit. It felt a little ambiguous to me if he was actually still Bats or if he had retired.

 

[Christopher]

I thought Teen Titans, and Justice League Unlimited were both part of the same universe?

Wow, very much no. There were people who assumed that at the time because they were used to the ongoing universe of the previous several shows, or who tried to force them to fit together in their heads, but Teen Titans was very much in its own idiosyncratic, much goofier reality. (Although it had a serious side that gradually emerged alongside the silly stuff, and now we have the totally silly Teen Titans Go! reboot, so somehow fans today have a perception of the mostly wild and goofy original as if it were purely some dark, gritty thing, and they complain about the reboot not being as "serious" as TT in the same terms that critics of TT used to complain that it wasn't as serious as JLU.)

I love how that multiverses are become a trend, it's a quick and easy way to have different versions of the characters meet, fight, and then eventually team up.

Is that valuable in itself? Without a good story to justify it, it's just bashing action figures together. The problem with a story idea becoming a trend is that it generally leads to too many productions that do it just to hop on the bandwagon, rather than because there's a worthwhile story that the trope can serve.

Yes, and Bruce went to be a recurring character in the second and third seasons of Titans. Or does that not count since he never appeared in the Batsuit. It felt a little ambiguous to me if he was actually still Bats or if he had retired.

Multiple DC shows have been able to tiptoe around the no-Batman rule by showing Bruce Wayne not being Batman. Gotham had a teen Bruce, Titans has an older Bruce who's never Batman on camera, Crisis on Infinite Earths had retired Kevin Conroy Dark Knight Returns Bruce, Batwoman had impostor Bruce, etc.