What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

This reminds me of my controversial Trek opinion: I don't care about the ships one bit.

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I like some,but most of them I couldn't care about most. Also, they are not characters like people are.

I guess you're not one of us "Ship People".

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There are others, like me, who treat the StarShips like characters.

The entire TrekYards YT channel is dedicated to fans of StarShips and it's for those of us who love StarShips as much as the characters.

Me too, a little.

Really, you get triggered by that of all things?

 

[Vger23]

This reminds me of my controversial Trek opinion: I don't care about the ships one bit.

Honestly, I like the ships I like, but I don’t get offended or take it personally if there are ships I don’t. I just don’t care.

 

[fireproof78]

There are others, like me, who treat the StarShips like characters.

The entire TrekYards YT channel is dedicated to fans of StarShips and it's for those of us who love StarShips as much as the characters.

Let's be clear. I love ships. I think they are fun, well put together, and good vehicles of imagination.

But, they lack personality, warmth or a measure of character like a person does. Yes, I know, many would consider ships to have character; "Ship People" I guess you would call them. To me they are fine works of art. But not people.

Really, you get triggered by that of all things?

Indeed. Quite irrational, isn't it?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Indeed. Quite irrational, isn't it?

I don't understand why it bothers you that much.

The nice thing about IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) is that we're all different people with different points of views.

I may not understand why it bothers you to that degree, but I don't let other people's PoV bother me.

I just keep on trucking and doing what I want to do.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't understand why it bothers you that much.

The nice thing about IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) is that we're all different people with different points of views.

I may not understand why it bothers you to that degree, but I don't let other people's PoV bother me.

I just keep on trucking and doing what I want to do.

It hardly stops me from doing what I want to do. It simply evokes an emotional reaction within me, stronger than others things do. As I said, it is quite irrational, and I don't react positively to it. I don't share it often because it is unnecessary. It bothers me largely because it makes very little sense and there are times where I like things to make some measure of sense, as least when it comes to understanding different points of view.

Hardly keeps me from doing what I want to do though.

 

[plynch]

Whenever someone unironically uses the term "hero ship" it triggers me TBH.

Being aware that one's response is irrational is self-aware.

I kinda thought it was an industry phrase, like hero prop: the main one that is used, not that it is really like a hero. But as in all things, I might be wrong.

 

[Sci]

I love the starships and generally consider them works of art and -- not characters in their own right, but elements of the story that have the feel of characters. Sort of like how you can get attached to the "feeling" or "character" of a vividly-drawn setting in other works of fiction, like someone who's attached to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft & Wizardry from Harry Potter, or someone who's attached to the fictional town of Neptune, California, in Veronica Mars.

But I certainly don't begrudge anyone who's not attached to the ships. They're icing on the cake, not the cake itself.

 

[1001001]

This reminds me of my controversial Trek opinion: I don't care about the ships one bit.

Neither do I.

In fact, I don't really care about most of it.

 

[Nyotarules]

There should be enough Starfleet personnel to populate a planet in the 100s of millions, for a trillions member UFP (985 billion as per Memory beta).
OK I'm anal enough to work it out based on present day USA military personnel as a percentage of the US population is 0.45%. Even if you halved this percentage for Starfleet, that is about 2.2 billion Starfleet workers protecting a UFP of 985 billion. So there is no way a. Starfleet HQ is in little old San Francisco and b. The only Academy campus is in San Francisco.
Starfleet should be its own damn planet!

 

[Henoch]

There should be enough Starfleet personnel to populate a planet in the 100s of millions, for a trillions member UFP (985 billion as per Memory beta).
OK I'm anal enough to work it out based on present day USA military personnel as a percentage of the US population is 0.45%. Even if you halved this percentage for Starfleet, that is about 2.2 billion Starfleet workers protecting a UFP of 985 billion. So there is no way a. Starfleet HQ is in little old San Francisco and b. The only Academy campus is in San Francisco.
Starfleet should be its own damn planet!

Starbases are planet stationed such as Starbase 11(probably terraformed by Starfleet for just this use.) Figure in twelve of these large starbases during TOS and a couple hundred lesser stations/colonies, then the ~2 billion workers get spread a little thin. I also figure that most of Starfleet personnel are civilians with only a "small" percentage being "military/defense". For example, Starbase 11 and 12 are run by just a Commodore, which implies that the military/defense side of the base in fairly small.

 

[suarezguy]

I really disagree with the "the shows get good in Season 3" claim especially when it goes as far as that the first two years are pretty weak. TNG was OK from the start and did get better in Season 3 but Deep Space Nine started good and remained good, Voyager started OK and remained OK.

 

[cooleddie74]

TOS was great from Season 1 and only deteriorated to a noticeable degree in Season 3.

 

[Tim Thomason]

I think the conventional wisdom (and my opinion) has TOS being excellent from the get-go, but losing traction in Season 3 especially. Lots of factors there, due to the change in showrunner, production costs, writers being replaced, and lack of overall support from the studio and an understanding amongst the cast that the show was on its last legs when it was placed in the dead zone to air.

TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise all got better after the first two rocky seasons. TNG strengthened their writing, DS9 got the Dominion War in gear and began heavy diving into serialization, Voyager had some showrunner changes and got its best stories as well when they delved into Borg and Hirogen territory (as opposed to Kazon or VIdiian fare). Enterprise completely revamped its showrunners for the better, and learned from both DS9 and Voyager. TNG, DS9, and Voyager all had issues with Season 7, lower quality and higher pay for the actors seems to have a correlation.

Only Discovery has reached Season 3 of the new shows, and had a complete series revamp. I, personally, prefer the first season overall, but it seems I'm in the minority, and everyone is praising the new direction. Lower Decks will be going into their third season by the end of next year, and has already promised a heavier focus on storytelling and story arcs, as opposed to the constant barrage of in-jokes and reference comedy from before. As shown in the final episode of Season 2, it's becoming its own thing without relying on past Treks to prop it up, and that's a good thing.

Nobody wants to make a bad season of any TV show. It's just, by the time of a third season, creators have enough input from their audience to figure out what they want and what they can provide, and it seems that Seasons 3 through 5 are probably the highest quality, whereas the last seasons suffer from creative fatigue (a "Seven-Year Itch" so-to-say).

 

[cooleddie74]

Not too controversial but this might have been a good show had it actually been made.

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[Vger23]

I think the conventional wisdom (and my opinion) has TOS being excellent from the get-go, but losing traction in Season 3 especially. Lots of factors there, due to the change in showrunner, production costs, writers being replaced, and lack of overall support from the studio and an understanding amongst the cast that the show was on its last legs when it was placed in the dead zone to air.

I’ve always disagree that TOS S3 was weaker. I know that it is essentially objectively true, but I don’t differentiate it at all from the previous seasons.

TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise all got better after the first two rocky seasons. TNG strengthened their writing, DS9 got the Dominion War in gear and began heavy diving into serialization, Voyager had some showrunner changes and got its best stories as well when they delved into Borg and Hirogen territory (as opposed to Kazon or VIdiian fare). Enterprise completely revamped its showrunners for the better, and learned from both DS9 and Voyager. TNG, DS9, and Voyager all had issues with Season 7, lower quality and higher pay for the actors seems to have a correlation.

Agree on all counts.

Only Discovery has reached Season 3 of the new shows, and had a complete series revamp. I, personally, prefer the first season overall, but it seems I'm in the minority, and everyone is praising the new direction. Lower Decks will be going into their third season by the end of next year, and has already promised a heavier focus on storytelling and story arcs, as opposed to the constant barrage of in-jokes and reference comedy from before. As shown in the final episode of Season 2, it's becoming its own thing without relying on past Treks to prop it up, and that's a good thing.

I agree with DSC S1 being preferable, and I’m not one who praises the new direction either (although that doesn’t mean I object to it either).

Disagree on LD. About the only thing I do care about are the fun Easter eggs and call backs. The rest of it is mind numbing.

 

[Lord Garth]

Not too controversial but this might have been a good show had it actually been made.

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I agree. I don't know if I would've liked it as much as TOS, but I think an Assignment: Earth series would've been fine.

 

[Vale]

I really disagree with the "the shows get good in Season 3" claim especially when it goes as far as that the first two years are pretty weak. TNG was OK from the start and did get better in Season 3 but Deep Space Nine started good and remained good, Voyager started OK and remained OK.

Agreed. Deep Space Nine's first two seasons are underrated, and easily the strongest first two seasons out of the three 24th century series.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So there is no way a. Starfleet HQ is in little old San Francisco and b. The only Academy campus is in San Francisco.

The entire SF Bay Area is Starfleet HQ (headcanon) The US military operates out of the Pentagon. The total number of US military personnel is 2,233,050, very few of which ever set foot inside the Pentagon.

 

[Vale]

There should be enough Starfleet personnel to populate a planet in the 100s of millions, for a trillions member UFP (985 billion as per Memory beta).
OK I'm anal enough to work it out based on present day USA military personnel as a percentage of the US population is 0.45%. Even if you halved this percentage for Starfleet, that is about 2.2 billion Starfleet workers protecting a UFP of 985 billion. So there is no way a. Starfleet HQ is in little old San Francisco and b. The only Academy campus is in San Francisco.
Starfleet should be its own damn planet!

That's basically Earth though isn't it? The whole planet is Starfleet Headquarters, and San Francisco can just be the admin office. It would be a good Watsonian explanation of why the vast majority of Starfleet personnel that we see are human.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's basically Earth though isn't it? The whole planet is Starfleet Headquarters, and San Francisco can just be the admin office. It would be a good Watsonian explanation of why the vast majority of Starfleet personnel that we see are human.

I could see Earth as the Federation's Washington DC.